Queue on 12/3/2010 at 00:39

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Someone who understands what really matters.

Queue on 12/3/2010 at 01:11

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...annnnnddd we just validated jtr's point, folks. :thumb:

jtr7 on 12/3/2010 at 04:18

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It doesn't work only one way, Blue. You can't do the very thing you and Muz are demanding, nor could you keep it going long enough if you could. Not only should this not be a High School, but it shouldn't require writing a college paper when I know damned well that you as human beings, smart people, know what the hell I'm talking about in your day-to-day lives, but enjoy throwing logs on the fire under the Jiffy-Pop tin, here.

What's amazing to me is that people say I "blew up," and had a "meltdown" when I just got loud and blew a raspberry of text at their absurdity. It's just me getting their attention. Blustery text doesn't take being in that actual mood. What has been called "self-pity" has been me scratching my head in disbelief they got it so wrong, not sadness at all. These intelligent men keep acting thick and blow opportunity after opportunity to be the better man. They missed the point very early on and they believe their skewed views about my motives are correct. I'll keep telling them they are incorrect until they try something different and maybe get it right. I will still laugh at a funny post, and nod in agreement with an incisive remark, but they are still assholes when they are being assholes, and they bring it out in other people, for the worse, myself included. I've learned that it's not what I say (they never notice what it was anyway), but the shock that gets them to show their true colors, and even if they don't get it, don't read it in my voice but the one they think it's being broadcast in, and think my smiley are ironic (nope), and choose the worst possible way to interpret my words...they somehow understand on a deeper level below the surface of their posts. And for that, my raspberries have been worth it. The rest is almost tragic, but they love to slather that on their popcorn.



Scots accused me of over-generalizing. Hypocrite. I keep pointing to a specific segment of the population that are being left out and ignored in the threads where any general group of people is being discussed. It's being assumed, for instance, that when I talk of CommShat's crap, I'm talking about all of CommChat, when I stated I was talking about the crap aspects. I'm turned off by them for looking for ways to turn a post inside-out, and in their own minds for cheap entertainment, make fools of people who never intended any such interpretation. Until I read a good response otherwise, I have come to believe they play this game so much, they don't even know when they are doing it out of line.






And since it's not even been observed by the CommChatter side. I'm not personally upset, or personally hurt for being personally picked on so much as what I've witnessed happen to others. It's not Community Chat, it's a frat-house and the people in the lobby are drunk intellectuals with an audience. It's how you get off on trying to slap sense into people, versus actually giving a damn that disgusts me. You know it's not Community Chat because assholes get involved in threads there they shouldn't simply for the fact it's not their cup of shroom tea. They don't encourage people to be better, but to conform. If someone starts a thread about someone who died, the CommShats tell them how they should make it entertaining and how to please them. If someone posts something in CommChat to abide by the forum guidelines, they are critiqued if it doesn't please the CommShats' sensibilities, and this is not referring to the responses of calling bullshit when something is false or ignorant, etc., or any other actually constructive responses.


Bluegrime. Next time you see someone get upset in CommChat, who is not a regular there, observe their reaction. See where they end up, if they stick around at all. It's not up to me to be your eyes. I am in no condition to work up a document of proof over things that I'm not convinced you've never noticed. Perhaps you and Muz and others haven't noticed, because it happened quickly and was forgotten, with the person never returning, and so, it didn't make an impression, or maybe you never saw it go down. That's giving you the benefit of the doubt. Like I said, I'm in no condition to unload my memory banks for you, no matter how badly I want to. Since single sentences of mine have been turned into rubbish, interpreted in ways I cannot believe was possible (though sometimes I can see the connection, thankfully), I would fully expect all the work you yourself would find daunting, would be for naught. If a smiley cannot be interpreted correctly by these guys, and time and again, a sentence or two is mangled all to hell, you can't expect me to believe a thesis would be effective in the least. They'd just make yet another gripe about my long posts.


I've read thread after thread where the mentally-ill are treated as rational beings making bad choices, the people struggling with English treated as intentionally being bad at grammar for no good reason, the weak slapped down to test their mettle and when a person simply has no use for people who go about slapping the weak, they are mocked. Oh yeah, you're a real man for kicking a person while they're down, and the one they always neglect to remember when they are being accused: It doesn't have to happen to a person to make them disgusted at you--they can simply be a witness who didn't find it funny, or find the stereotyping accurate. Good one on ya. Just words? What are but words? If you can't handle words you're a pussy? Bullshit. One of the same persons saying that kind of crap have demonstrated being butt-hurt and has played the victim for months after the incident, playing it up, bringing it up over and over. Hypocrite. It's dragged on so long, I no longer believe you were merely being satirical.


I, like many others, have elected to stay out of CommChat, but there's no getting away from the neighbors. Roommates are bad enough.


It's sad that SubjEff says he doesn't know what I'm going on about as if I hadn't been telling him that myself for years. Of course you don't SE. You can't accept it and won't stop bothering with it. Expect to fail at it forevermore and walk away. Here's how I know it's not my problem (and I've also told him this before): I have many more people that do understand what I'm saying than don't. You're screwed. Your lack of understanding is your own damned problem. And I'll say it again, your lack of empathy and people skills frighten me.

Scots Taffer on 12/3/2010 at 05:50

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This utterly incomprehensible nonsense clearly only makes sense to someone who sees themselves as vilified and rejected, sees the collective of people responsible as scheming, malicious and self-serving, sees their own self-pitied failure to understand a place or a group of people and the subsequent slandering of it as a noble "up yours" to a flawed institution.

In short, it's all about you feeling like you got chewed up, spat out and instead of reflecting on anything you might have done wrong - it's all everybody else's fault. Which is pretty much what everyone in the other thread is saying and agreeing on being a fundamental part of the "problem" when it comes to a CommChat/ThiefGen divide, and that comes from people on both sides of the fence. Funnily enough, those who don't agree are mostly the ones who fall into that category (yourself and kamyk for two examples) - it's all perceived persecution and ignominy, very little evidence, a whole lot of rhetoric.

At the end of the day, my hypothesis stands unchallenged. Post something meaningful in an intelligent manner in any of the forums and you're likely to get a reasonable response.



Another prime example of you just not getting the point. The whole "RIP ______" thread title was (again, pretty tamely) lobbied against in CommChat because it's unimaginative and if you actually give a damn about the person who died, you can probably put something to the effect that honours their death a little better. Eg. The "A lost boy" thread - not RIP COREY HAIM.
It's not about being a sarcastic, edgy, caustic asshole - it's just about making the content a bit more intelligent and engaging than a news article headline.

Everything you say about CommChat, with few exceptions, just continues to prove that it's more of a case of you not getting it than it being the hotbed of bitter fratboy vipers that you want to make out it is (presumably because you weren't universally accepted, or some such nonsense). It also seems that the "assholes" are basically people who like to joke around on occasion or do some of the internal moderation of content (which happens in EVERY forum here), and for all your rabble-rousing, you come across as a big crybaby who not only can't take a joke, but can't discern between humour and aggression, ribbing and bullying, debating and shouting-down.

Even I once felt like I got chewed up and spat out by the CommChat Hate Machine back in the very early 2000s, but when I left for a while and looked back on my interactions - 99% of the problem was my posts and the way I conducted myself.

edit: In any case, I'm done debating this point - feel free to think what you want, engage with CommChat etc how you want, feel free to continue generalising and calling worthwhile posters bullies, assholes etc, I don't actually care given how narrow-minded and ignorant the detractors are coming off.

Muzman on 12/3/2010 at 09:23

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Geez I'd love to know what all that is. I don't even know what a jiffy pop tin is let alone what you're talking about. What does "You can't do the very thing you and Muz are demanding, nor could you keep it going long enough if you could." even mean? Keep what going on long enough for what?
I'll say it again; other people can't reference what you're talking about because you're the one talking about it. If you don't want to, well whatever but you can dispense with all this other stuff that makes no sense.



When did this happen? Was this some actual fight?


Who has made any such claims about your motives? When? What was the subject? Was it recently?


Shock? You mean you've baited people into arguing with you on purpose? When was this? Who were you talking to? What happened? The rest? The rest of what?


Such as? Sounds quite specific. Does this happen a lot do you think? Give us some examples.


This sounds very specific. What thread are you talking about? (anyone else know?)


Well, call me picky, but what you're saying is you think all this stuff is terrible and endemic and the gentle souls need speaking up for. But your answer when asked for incidences is to let it happen again and hope we all watch instead. If it's as big deal to you as you're making out (and it's clearly enormous) and so emotionally devestating for so many members, you'd want to take the chance to get ahead of it for once I would have thought.


Really? Why not? What's wrong with you?


The mentally ill? Who was that? What happened? (really, anyone else wandering by who can fill in the blanks here is free to. I suspect this'll be for nowt but I try regardless)
Who are these down people always getting slapped and mocked? By whom?


You're talking about something and someone very specific here. Who is it? What incident?

and lastly....


If any of these people are out there and want to speak to the things jtr7 is talking about; go right ahead. And specific instances you can point to would be nice as well.