Some issues regarding TTLG as a whole. - by kamyk
Fingernail on 12/3/2010 at 15:18
Well, Nightranger hasn't ever started a thread in Commchat, so I don't know what his/her experience is.
From personal experience, my first few threads/posts in Commchat (I started in the editor's guild, fan missions etc. although only briefly) were utter failures, garnering few replies due to lack of interest, trying to be funny, repeating myself from other threads, I had a presidential poll ruined by one of the mods because there were already several on the same topic, etc. etc.
Don't check them out; they're embarrassing to me.
Looking back, I can see exactly what was wrong. And also that it doesn't really matter. I haven't blown up in anyone's face about it, and actually the reason why my contributions at that time were so bad was mostly because I was bored and using TTLG as an outlet, hoping for some kind of reaction. I was testing the water. Of course, everyone wants to go in and be lauded for their first post, but it doesn't happen. I was also quite into the whole #thief IRC scene, which at times can be (or at least was) like a kind of meta-commchat, where what goes on in the forums is picked apart by some who don't even contribute that often. And that came with its own in-jokes, etc.
Nowadays I feel much freer to not post, and try to only post when I have something vaguely coherent to say. YMMV.
jtr7 on 12/3/2010 at 15:25
Give it up, Muz'. The people you pretend to want to hear aren't here in ThiefGen and aren't in CommChat. Many of them aren't even in logging in anymore. The ones in the Fan Missions forum and the ones who left to deal with real life aren't going to see your call to have their voices heard, and they've moved on. You also will not be privy to the PMs, most of which are inaccessible, as they've be deleted. No matter. I see that the the problem people are in denial anyway. And like I said, you likely never knew what was happening, and that's not even important.
If someone does what the idealists claim should be done, then will the idealists stand by and say nothing, or laugh admiringly, when an off-topic thread is started that doesn't fit the flavor of the hour, and the people who just can't help themselves troll the thread?
Xenith on 12/3/2010 at 15:47
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If someone does what the idealists claim should be done, then will the idealists stand by and say nothing, or laugh admiringly, when an off-topic thread is started that doesn't fit the flavor of the hour, and the people who just can't help themselves troll the thread?
What the [act of sexual intercourse]* are you talking about? I'm more a lurker than a forum member so I probably don't have much say in things, but I've visited TTLGs forum sections every single day since I've became a member and as a person that doesn't really belong to any of those sections, I'm just simply confused by this.
Thread about TTLG dying -> talk about thiefgen vs commchat -> new thread about a crusade that's going on in the other thread -> a lot of complain about people being mean on the internet -> said people accepting this and stating that life is unfair -> more of the same complaining, now done with passive-aggressive emoticons shoved in here and there -> and the cycle restarts.
* goofy replacement so I don't get a ban or something...
Independent Thief on 12/3/2010 at 17:31
Quote Posted by Briareos H
Bravo on losing any hope of credibility. You've obviously been hurt by people from CommChat and can't get over it. Too bad for you, but stop presenting your opinion as consensual.
I'm not looking for 'credibility', I'm an FM maker so I actually have something to give to the community more than a smart mouth that thinks he can get away with anything just because they've been around for a while. And I'm not 'hurt' by anyone, I don't post in commchat because I've been on enough forums to know when a community's brake lines have been cut and some lurking showed me that was the case there as well. I won't waste any more time with this-it's pointless.:p
Matthew on 12/3/2010 at 17:43
Wow, that's not arrogance at all.
In fact, of 280-something posts, you have posted exactly once outside of a Thief forum, which was a question regarding a suitable graphics card for a new game and was met with several polite answers suggesting possible models. No follow-up post from you so I've no idea if those were helpful.
Hmm. Maybe that's an example of someone who came to GenGaming, posted something intelligent and was accepted by the rest of the posters?
SubJeff on 12/3/2010 at 18:22
Quote Posted by jtr7
I have many more people that do understand what I'm saying than don't.
Evidence please.
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And I'll say it again, your lack of empathy and people skills frighten me.
I love it when you try get to personal. You're the champ!
Curious thing jtr - why can you never, ever answer any of the questions people ask you?
BrokenArts on 12/3/2010 at 18:54
I love how people point out nothing but the bad in both forums. A few have tried to remind us about the good, its getting overshadowed. The bad with its doom and gloom, why I ask you?
If you hang around both forums long enough, you'll see the good in both as well. You have to see for yourself. Many decent discussions on a variety of things, and some with no bitching! *gasp* It never will be perfect, shit has happened, there are things that could be done, maybe in time things can change. Again, its not all bad people.
In the mean time, accepting the forums for what they are, and learning how to deal with both can make for a more well rounded poster, and learn to contribute to both. If you so desire. Not everyone can do that. Be open minded, and read people, be intelligent, and contribute, if you still don't like one or the other, great, you don't have to post.
Jarvis on 12/3/2010 at 20:03
I think this whole topic is a bit ridiculous. Everything seems fine to me. So a few links don't work, and there are some differing opinions. So?
This community has produced a host of FMs, TuT, T2X, TDM, The minimalist project, upgraded texture packs for all three games, the difficulty mod, Thief 2 multiplayer...
I know I'm probably missing a lot too. Even that incredible list is an understatement of the productivity of ttlg. And it's not like it's all from "the old days" and all that glory is gone. No, a lot of this stuff is pretty recent and still under works.
There's always room for improvement, but why are we trying to sign a death warrant?
Muzman on 12/3/2010 at 20:03
One more time....
Quote Posted by jtr7
Give it up, Muz'. The people you pretend to want to hear aren't here in ThiefGen and aren't in CommChat. Many of them aren't even in logging in anymore.
You seem to know who these people are and why they left. And, amazingly, you're still here. So why don't you tell us?
(and, for the second time, you can drop these claims I'm being disingenuous, thanks)
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If someone does what the idealists claim should be done, then will the idealists stand by and say nothing, or laugh admiringly, when an off-topic thread is started that doesn't fit the flavor of the hour, and the people who just can't help themselves troll the thread?
Who are these "idealists"? What do you think their ideals are exactly? What makes you think they all think and act as one?
I think I have a vague idea what you're saying here, for a change. It's well established that there's very different definitions of trolling and flaming being thrown around in all this. Mostly the stuff that seems to bother people so much doesn't deserve either tag as far as I'm concerned. 'Tomfoolery' would be a better word for it. As I said, there's been a couple of occasions where a couple of people mucking around derailed a perfectly nice thread by someone new and it was unfortunate and probably off putting. I can't really fathom it driving them away for good since it's not usually personal or wildly offensive. But maybe that's just me.
You, however, seem to imply there are loads and loads of these instances that sting in ways no can imagine and rarely is seen by anyone outside of the ed guild or whatever. Why don't you show us then.
Seriously, anyone can do this. Yes, there will be disagreement over whether or not a certain incident was all that serious. But at least we'll have a reference point, which is a step beyond what we have now. (say what you will about kamyk, he did actually step up here)
jtr7 on 12/3/2010 at 20:10
Yes. I've had many pleasurable experiences reading through CommChat, and really love when people are just posting stuff in their way. I love it when everybody's staying above a threshold of behavior, and don't mind if it dips briefly. The good stuff isn't a problem, so it's not being addressed. Unfortunately, we have people (Bluegrime has taken up the banner, now) who are taking exaggerated posts and taking them as literal, and then adding exaggeration on top of that, and trying to make a valid argument. I say again, I address the crap-factor, and CommChat as a whole is not crap, and the people that offend me are not always offensive, and in fact, not offensive most of the time, but then there's that unforgivable fraction of posts and threads and legalised trolling, and to say no one notices is a blatant lie. I'll not entertain the lame demands no one here has the will or the energy to do themselves, as I am not here to do a term paper or jump through hoops or conform to their personal culture or believe they are that stupid, and a major reason I avoid certain members is from expending too much energy on shit that doesn't justify the time and energy, and is all about their ego, anyway. They can use the Search function and look it up themselves, except, as I said, the Private Messages. They don't want evidence, they want to point to the lack of work on one side as proof. Dumbasses. How long would the list have to be for you, what would it have to contain, for you to acknowledge you have a problem and see how other people have simply chosen to no longer let it be their problem? How on earth do you consider yourselves anything close to the epitome of normal society and socially-skilled when I only ever see your behavior and social interaction in pockets on campus and in bars, etc., where only joining in the behaviors genuinely, or observing with detached fascination, are two main ways to not find it irritating like a car blasting music down a residential street at 3AM?
Yes, ThiefGen is often dead and boring and repetitive.
Now behold as nothing positive is derived from my post.
