Epos Nix on 11/8/2001 at 20:03
It became apparent to me about halfway through DX that JC is nothing but (pardon the language) a bitch. Throughout the whole game, even up to the end, he is following everyone else's orders, never once questioning them. At the beginning, he is Manderly's bitch (which is okay, since that's his job), then he's Paul's bitch, then Tong's, etc etc. At the end it's a bit better, seeing as how he's given a lil bit of choice, though there is no option to say "screw all of you, this is how I'm doin it!". No real point to my banter, just thought I'd share ;)
X on 11/8/2001 at 20:15
Lets look at this from character development.
JC is a trained human being. It's the way he has been raised, grown, harvested. Therefore it is perfectally natural for him to follow Manderlys orders. Then when his world is turned upside down by the revelations of his brother, he intially tries to cling to some aspect of his previous life, the organisation, the orders. Hence he follows Paul. He has a need to follow the order of Tong because he owes him.
Epos Nix on 11/8/2001 at 20:29
I can see how that's true. It just got a bit irksome when I heard Tong say "Now JC, go to the top of the building and get your ass blasted by 30 Majestic 12 troops so you can further my own cause". Sure, I may have owed him for saving me from the kill-switch, but the game never gave me the option to not defect from UNATCO, did it?
Agent Monkeysee on 11/8/2001 at 21:39
Isn't that how RPG's work though? Although DX isn't a pure RPG it lifts elements from that genre. When my roommate played through Baldur's Gate II, if I remember correctly, your party was everyone's bitch, even the barmaid's. It seemed every single person you talked to said "here, go do this for me."
Bionicman on 12/8/2001 at 04:49
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Originally posted by Agent Monkeysee:
<STRONG>Isn't that how RPG's work though? Although DX isn't a pure RPG it lifts elements from that genre. When my roommate played through Baldur's Gate II, if I remember correctly, your party was
everyone's bitch, even the barmaid's. It seemed every single person you talked to said "here, go do this for me."</STRONG>
how very, very, very true....a big ol' half-orc wizard slayer child o' bhall, and here i am finding billy's kitty....
Epos Nix on 12/8/2001 at 07:43
The difference, Monkeysee, is that in a true RPG you have the choice as to whether or not you want to do something. In BGII you could literally kill every single person (save maybe 2 or 3 plot characters) and still complete the game. Of course there wouldn't be much of a game if you did that, but you have the choice!
Don't get me wrong though, I love DX. I just wish at some point in the game JC said to himself "hey, I'm a superpowerful nano-augmented cyberbeing -- why am I running around for these lowlifes when I could be in tha Bahamas sippin margaritas??"
[ August 12, 2001: Message edited by: Epos Nix ]
Agent Monkeysee on 12/8/2001 at 08:41
True. I could point out that DX is not a true RPG, just an FPS masquerading as one. So DX's adoption of the primary RPG plot apparatus is a rather shallow one. But then we wouldn't have a story now, would we ;)
egghead on 12/8/2001 at 15:05
JC went along with everyone long enough to put himself in the ultimate position, thus making everyone but Paul (who is either dead or trusts JC to make any choice), well, JC's bitch.
I thought that was a good thing in the game, and I played it like I was as power hungry as Page (just infinitely more subtle and patient about it).
kostoffj on 13/8/2001 at 13:41
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Originally posted by Epos Nix:
<STRONG>It became apparent to me about halfway through DX that JC is nothing but (pardon the language) a bitch. Throughout the whole game, even up to the end, he is following everyone else's orders, never once questioning them. At the beginning, he is Manderly's bitch (which is okay, since that's his job), then he's Paul's bitch, then Tong's, etc etc. At the end it's a bit better, seeing as how he's given a lil bit of choice, though there is no option to say "screw all of you, this is how I'm doin it!". No real point to my banter, just thought I'd share ;)</STRONG>
There must be a whole lotta "bitches" out there in the world. I'm a bitch, right now, workin' for the Man (but a naughty bitch, because I am goofing off when I should be doing something else). Even generals are bitches, following someone else's orders! Whose bitch are you?
Although I think having the choice as to the ultimate fate of the human race, at the end, makes everyone else his bitch, in some way or another. :p
X on 13/8/2001 at 15:25
I think it is partly because Deus Ex isnt a straight RPG that you don't have the choice. Some of the Baldur's Gate style freedom would have been appreciated, ie you could have been bad and killed Paul and Tong, staying with Unacto.
