Llama on 13/2/2011 at 00:59
Quote Posted by dethtoll
whatever you say trollski
what was your old username, as if you actually had one
Lol you forgot the a in dethtoll, deathtoll.
K now I'm a troll.
Llama on 13/2/2011 at 02:51
I contributed to this thread originally by giving my thoughts on the topic at hand. Then I get harassed for not being known. It's not like I joined the thread and poked my head in and said " lolnewb. Kthxbye". Please keep up the harassment.
Queue on 13/2/2011 at 03:00
Quote Posted by Llama
I contributed to this thread originally by giving my thoughts on the topic at hand.
And we all thank you for your contribution.
Quote:
Then I get harassed for not being known.
You were never harassed for being unknown. You're being harassed being a dink.
...and if you had registered all those years ago, then surely you known and loath our dethy the way we all do.
(God dammit, Pardoner.... :laff:)
june gloom on 13/2/2011 at 03:26
Quote Posted by Llama
I contributed to this thread originally by giving my thoughts on the topic at hand. Then I get harassed for not being known. It's not like I joined the thread and poked my head in and said " lolnewb. Kthxbye". Please keep up the harassment.
no no no you're not getting this
you have to
earn the right to post inane nonsense/give regular members like Queue shit/be completely oblivious to sarcasm (seriously, we're very proud of our airplanes here, you can't just horn in and start being too dense for a joke right at the beginning)
you have not earned that right and i notice you haven't actually produced your old username, therefore i have to assume you're full of shit
lurk more
Llama on 13/2/2011 at 03:35
Quote Posted by dethtoll
no no no you're not getting this
you have to
earn the right to post inane nonsense/give regular members like Queue shit/be completely oblivious to sarcasm (seriously, we're very proud of our airplanes here, you can't just horn in and start being too dense for a joke right at the beginning)
you have not earned that right and i notice you haven't actually produced your old username, therefore i have to assume you're full of shit
lurk more
You're screwed up in the head. :) see you around the forums Dethtoll.
Queue on 13/2/2011 at 03:42
If I were you, I'd watch my back, dt.
june gloom on 13/2/2011 at 05:31
oh dear
sh-should i teach myself tae kwon do
Muzman on 13/2/2011 at 06:15
Quote Posted by Sg3
Recall, however, that secession was exactly how the U.S.A. was formed some ninety years earlier. It's quite hypocritical to be all "Yay we're patriots" about rebelling in the American Revolution but "Traitors and rebels!" about rebelling in the American Civil War. Is it okay to break away from the government or not? If yes, then you must allow that it was as much the Southern states' right to secede as it was the American colonies' right to declare independence. Same thing. To secede is to declare independence. And if you say no, it isn't okay to break away from the government, then you must logically also condemn the "founding fathers" for declaring independence from the British crown.
(just to get things back on track)
Although the grounds for American independance were pretty thin and self serving by the time it came about (but produced the declaration itself and so on which is pretty major legal landmark, -goeswithoutsaying-), as Starfy points out, the revolutionaries have one thing in their corner that the South didn't. Namely that they were being taxed (in pretty minor ways by the end) without direct representation.
It'll always be an interesting question though. What is the point of a Federation if it can't make laws for all (or the majority of) the members and, perhaps more importantly, citizens? It does seem to be a big part of the American, particularly a certain stripe of conservative, psyche sometimes though: that ability to opt out of anything when it suits with no strings; government as ulitimately toothless ineffectual entity there to do... what exactly? (because if it weren't such a thing it'd be denying ultimate freedom sooner or later). Sometimes I think those folks would prefer it if the nation did not exist and the place was a collection of small towns, each entirely independant.
Sg3 on 13/2/2011 at 07:30
Quote Posted by Starrfall
You're making a pretty superficial comparison here. There are sufficient objective differences between the American Revolution and the American Civil War to allow for different treatment of the two.
Well, yes, a large number of differences; but the only significant relevant factor that I can think of that is the slavery. And I still don't see what that has to do with secession. I understand why slavery is morally worth going to war over, but I don't understand why secession is morally worth going to war over. Basically, I'm asking: if slavery hadn't been the issue, if slavery wasn't even a factor, would you still think that the North was right to fight the South for seceding?
