New Horizon on 1/2/2012 at 02:41
So it's not looking like Eidos did anything to prep Thief for this release on GOG' nor does GOG appear to have been given source code to work with. What the heck are they doing with it? Have they just tucked it away and forgotten about it again? It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't even know they had it.. :p
Renzatic on 1/2/2012 at 03:14
Quote Posted by edudrekib
I even read a thread where some is referencing all the DDfix work that has been done in this forum, unbelievable.
Are you talking about (
http://www.gog.com/en/forum/thief/tgfix_widescreen_resolutions_fixedimproved_graphics_etc/page1) this thread?
If so, what's so unbelievable about it? Some random guy, completely unassociated with GOG, references DDFix, and takes the time to slap it into a pack of other fixes to provide to his favorite forum. People do similar with Morrowind mods and fixes all the time. What makes Thief so different? That you know the people responsible for the fix?
Admittedly, a little recognition would be nice. But ultimately, isn't DDFix and the rest simply a means for people to play Thief easily on modern hardware? Isn't it currently doing exactly that? All for a group of people who might be experiencing Thief for the first time because of it?
I'd say the only cheesy thing about the whole scenario is GOG using CoK's soundtrack stitches, and not giving him due credit. I don't know if I'd call it inexcusable, but I do kinda consider it a little rude.
edit: I'll be a little more blunt. I came across this on the GOG forums...
Quote Posted by Gibbelin over at GOG
He came over from a forum that is well known for constantly dripping the worst kind of nerd rage. What do you expect? :D
Completely uncalled for? Maybe...
Quote Posted by Bikerdude over at GOG
O..k... if your happy paying $10 for 1 game when you could have got all 3 thief games, then you go right ahead...
nb. said forum came up with all the fixes that the majority of you non-nerds will need to get this game working...
No. Not quite. Your righteous indignation is doing more harm than good, and is making the whole community look like slightly more eloquent NMA Fallout mouthbreathers. Do you really want the TTLG Thief community to be put on par with NMA, Duck and Cover, and the rest? What we have here could be a nice, little revival of interest in the Thief series, and possibly the accompanying FMs. Your temper tantrums on the GOG boards certainly isn't helping that happen.
bikerdude on 1/2/2012 at 04:21
Quote Posted by Renzatic
* If so, what's so unbelievable about it? Admittedly, a little recognition would be nice.
* I'd say the only cheesy thing about the whole scenario is GOG using CoK's soundtrack stitches, and not giving him due credit.
* No. Not quite.
* You answered your own question.
* Agreed.
* Err, you've missed the point entirely, choosing instead to berate with petty insults. GoG are happy to rip people off while supplying a partially working product into the bargain, and it seem's the majority of people over there don't care they are being ripped off. And said people will come er over to ttlg looking for support when quite clearly GoG should be fixing it.
Renzatic on 1/2/2012 at 04:54
Quote Posted by edudrekib
* Err, you've missed the point entirely, choosing instead to berate with petty insults. GoG are happy to rip people off while supplying a partially working product into the bargain, and it seem's the majority of people over there don't care they are being ripped off. And said people will come er over to ttlg looking for support when quite clearly GoG should be fixing it.
Alright. Sorry about the insults. But it's so agitating seeing you make such a big deal over this. I mean it's 10 bucks. Hardly a rip off, even if you can manage to grab the entire series for a 3rd of the price in a package deal elsewhere. If people want to pay that small amount, instead of an even smaller amount, then it's their choice.
But going onto their messageboard to badmouth the company, screaming GOG is ripping everyone off, and speaking down to the people who happen to enjoy frequenting the site? That's just incredibly bad form.
wonderfield on 1/2/2012 at 04:54
@edudrekib: Even if that turns out to be the case, is that really a problem? If you object to helping people, you are free to not help them. I don't see it as an issue.
ZylonBane on 1/2/2012 at 04:57
Quote Posted by New Horizon
So it's not looking like Eidos did anything to prep Thief for this release on GOG' nor does GOG appear to have been given source code to work with. What the heck are they doing with it? Have they just tucked it away and forgotten about it again? It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't even know they had it.. :p
Maybe it'll turn out that GOG was supposed to include the source code with Thief as an extra.
bikerdude on 1/2/2012 at 05:20
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Alright. Sorry about the insults. But it's so agitating seeing you make such a big deal over this. If people want to pay that small amount, instead of an even smaller amount, then it's their choice.But going onto their messageboard to badmouth the company, screaming GOG is ripping everyone off.
@Renz
I wasn't making a big deal pers'e I was simply pointing out the facts, but fair enough I can see how it could be taken that way. And as the saying goes "its not the amount its the principle of matter" and I'm failry sure I didn't at any point start slagging off gog, but rather pointing out the facts. If gog are as good as people say they they will take it on the chin and do something positive, if not my posts /account will be deleted.
Let me lay this to rest by saying, if GOG had released the game at said price but atleast it was patched and working then fair enough. Its wasn't and that compounded the issue.
@Wonder, I have no problem helping people and most people on here know that. What rubs me the wrong way is the fact a person has paid good money for something yet has to go to the net to get the required fixes.
lost_soul on 1/2/2012 at 06:05
Quote Posted by New Horizon
So it's not looking like Eidos did anything to prep Thief for this release on GOG' nor does GOG appear to have been given source code to work with. What the heck are they doing with it? Have they just tucked it away and forgotten about it again? It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't even know they had it.. :p
I'm not surprised, but consider this. Either they release an un-patched game that doesn't support modern features like wide screen (and people get upset), or they just refer gamers to community-made fixes (and people get upset too). The only way they could keep anyone from being upset is to crack open the source code and fix all these issues themselves.
Renzatic on 1/2/2012 at 06:21
Quote Posted by edudrekib
Let me lay this to rest by saying, if GOG had released the game at said price but atleast it was patched and working then fair enough. Its wasn't and that compounded the issue.
That would've been far preferable, but...
I think the blame lies more with Square-Enix than it does with GOG. They're the ones who (I assume) decided to resell the game at the $10 price point, and are the ones who decided not to update the game for modern systems with a new patch.
I guess if you were to really push it, you could point the finger at GOG for deciding to carry a game in their store that isn't 100% Win Vista/7 compatible right out of the box. But really, that's the lesser of the two evils here.
Renault on 1/2/2012 at 06:35
I think GOG is to blame here. Here's the motto from their front page:
"Gog is the place to download PC classics, fully DRM-free, and working on Windows."
They're making money off the premise that you can get classic PC games up and running on modern hardware. As Biker mentioned, you can buy any/all of the games cheaper off Amazon, but the catch is that you're responsible for getting them up and running. At $10, Thief Gold should be fully patched/updated/tested and working, and anything less is just them ripping you off.
