voodoo47 on 24/8/2016 at 22:26
you can buy it on GOG if steam is not your thing. as far as SS2 source code is concerned, if I remember correctly, EA (Eidos?) have a full copy (sent to them by an ex-employee around 2010), but even if NDS were able to physically secure the code, it wouldn't do them any good because sqeenix still has the rights to the Dark Engine, and without that, you can't do anything because legal stuff.
maybe NDS will untangle this eventually, but I'm guessing it's not too high on their priority list.
heywood on 24/8/2016 at 23:20
Quote Posted by hedonicflux~~
I need not thank anyone for those ports, because I deplore Steam. It's a money-making platform that adds nothing of value to the gamer's experience, only convenience.
Convenience is valuable
icemann on 25/8/2016 at 08:45
Quote Posted by GodzillaX8
It's a remake ... of a game that sorely needs one
That is debatable. Remakes more often than not tend to piss off the audience that they are aimed at, since remakes tend to go off in their own directions. Movies suffer from this much more so (eg look at the recent Ghost Busters movie vs the 80s original).
Now it's clear that Night Dive felt the game needed a remake (and one that's more in a SS2 direction) but ask the fans themselves and you'll get differing opinions. I personally don't think it ever needed one. What it needs is a source code release which will allow us the fans to get in there and pretty up the game (eg via better resolutions, possibly texture upgrade mods etc etc) and maybe add some extra features in (eg multiplayer, a level editor etc). You can do all of that just fine with just that.
Does the game need a remake in my opinion? Hell no. I backed the KS but I still think it doesn't.
froghawk on 25/8/2016 at 18:57
lol the WINE SS2 port runs absolutely flawlessly ftr
GodzillaX8 on 25/8/2016 at 21:01
Quote Posted by icemann
That is debatable. Remakes more often than not tend to piss off the audience that they are aimed at, since remakes tend to go off in their own directions. Movies suffer from this much more so (eg look at the recent Ghost Busters movie vs the 80s original).
Now it's clear that Night Dive felt the game needed a remake (and one that's more in a SS2 direction) but ask the fans themselves and you'll get differing opinions. I personally don't think it ever needed one. What it needs is a source code release which will allow us the fans to get in there and pretty up the game (eg via better resolutions, possibly texture upgrade mods etc etc) and maybe add some extra features in (eg multiplayer, a level editor etc). You can do all of that just fine with just that.
Does the game need a remake in my opinion? Hell no. I backed the KS but I still think it doesn't.
The game has aged very, very badly, and if you don't admit that, I don't know what to tell you.
Further, the source code is going to be released very soon, so you can have your cake and eat it too.
Renault on 25/8/2016 at 21:36
Quote Posted by hedonicflux~~
It's a money-making platform that adds nothing of value to the gamer's experience, only convenience.
Yes, as heywood already stated, this convenience is extremely valuable, certainly nothing to scoff at or trivialize. Plus, Steam Link and Steam Controllers allow you to play all your PC games on a big screen TV. In addition, you have the social aspects, and tons and tons of sales. Steam is great for the consumer, and it doesn't cost us a thing.
What do you want Steam to do, somehow magically make the games you play better? Or maybe minimize your system reqs? Balance your checkbook?
Paying for any game via Steam is far and away better than buying it just about anywhere else, like Amazon or Best Buy or Gamestop.
Harvester on 25/8/2016 at 21:39
Quote Posted by hedonicflux~~
I need not thank anyone for those ports, because I deplore Steam. It's a money-making platform that adds nothing of value to the gamer's experience, only convenience.
There's nothing wrong with money-making, as long as the consumers are getting good value for money. Convenience is a great thing to have, and to that you can add good sales where games are very cheap, and long out-of-print games becoming legally available again. I enjoy the service of Steam or else I wouldn't use it, and I have no problem with Valve making a lot of money out of offering a valuable service to gamers.
voodoo47 on 25/8/2016 at 23:07
Quote Posted by Brethren
What do you want Steam to do
as far as I'm concerned, they can call me once the 1$=1E stupidity is history and the steam drm is the only drm allowed on a steam game.
icemann on 26/8/2016 at 12:14
Quote Posted by GodzillaX8
The game has aged very, very badly, and if you don't admit that, I don't know what to tell you.
Further, the source code is going to be released very soon, so you can have your cake and eat it too.
Aged sure, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For me personally, I don't mind how it looks and source ports would fix most (if not all) of that. I have more of a retro gaming background to most on the forums here though (just finished off a playthrough of a snes JRPG this week for example). The only graphics level I can't tolerate would be something like you'd see in the PC version of Might and Magic 1, or the first Ultima game (or Aklabeth). For everything up from there give me 30 minutes of play and I'm generally fine with it.
If early 90s PC game level graphics isn't for you, then I don't know what to say. For me I'm all fine with it.
Thirith on 26/8/2016 at 15:10
For me it's less the graphics than the controls and user interface, because those simply don't hold up. They weren't particularly good at the time, but now we know that there are better ways to implement all of the things possible in System Shock.
Beyond that, I can deal with early '90s graphics, but I do think that pixel art generally holds up much better than early 3D, so IMO there's a lot more to be gained from remaking System Shock than from, say, a SNES JRPG.
