Star Citizen (and Squadron 42) - Chris Roberts' space flight sim SP game and MMO - by EvaUnit02
henke on 2/10/2015 at 13:11
I haven't read too much about all of this but I'm going to go with my gut instinct of "whichever side Derek Smart isn't on is the right side to be on".
catbarf on 2/10/2015 at 16:00
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https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3n6lum/escapist_anonymous_sources_uncovered/) There's a Reddit post claiming that the 'anonymous sources' are posts on Glassdoor posted with extremely suspicious timing. Obviously the Star Citizen subreddit is not the most unbiased source so take it with a grain of salt.
Leaving this latest drama aside, I'm really on the fence about SC, having backed it during the initial Kickstarter campaign. On the one hand, it's got a ton of funding and a lot of solid industry veterans. On the other hand, there's not a lot to show for the past couple years of work besides promises, feature creep, and selling virtual spaceships. I'm holding out hope for it being the unprecedented experience they're promising, but I'm getting increasingly skeptical the more promotional material and cash grabs they offer rather than actual gameplay content.
WingedKagouti on 2/10/2015 at 17:44
Quote Posted by henke
I haven't read too much about all of this but I'm going to go with my gut instinct of "whichever side Derek Smart isn't on is the right side to be on".
"Even a stopped clock is right twice a day."
Whether it is or isn't the case here, Derek Smart does have a chance of being on the side of "truth"
Slasher on 3/10/2015 at 01:19
Is it true that if you say Derek Smart's name three hundred times he will open a portal right next to you, snatch you, and whisk you away to a dimension where you will be forced to beta test his next game until it is in a playable state (i.e. purgatory)?
Nedan on 3/10/2015 at 03:16
I'm sorry but I wouldn't side with Derek Smart even if you came over to my house & held me at gun point. If you did, I'd tell you to go ahead & shoot me as I have some principals that I won't bend on. The guy is a notorious troll & lives just to stir sh*t up... period.
Look... I know that during my time on these boards I have stirred the pot quite a few times & ruffled quite a few feathers. Some justified... others...
not so much. But even I'm not stupid enough to follow Derek Smart off that proverbial cliff like some stupid Lemming.
As for that old proverb:
"Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." I'm sorry but this is just as stupid as saying
"You can't have your cake & eat it too." If that proverbial clock be broken, throw that crap in the trash. It's like taking your rent money for the entire year & gambling it all on a single hand of blackjack. That's not just stupid... it's extremely retarded & asinine.
I'm siding with henke on this...
"whichever side Derek Smart isn't on is the right side to be on".Quote Posted by Malf
And to be honest, Roberts comes across as less than professional.
Seriously?! If someone took pot shots at not only you, but also your wife & family... wouldn't you be a little pissed off? I'm surprised it took Roberts so long to respond to Derek Smart & the idiotic cronies that are following his word as gospel.
Pyrian on 3/10/2015 at 04:26
Quote Posted by Nedan
As for that old proverb:
"Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." I'm sorry but this is just as stupid as saying
"You can't have your cake & eat it too." If that proverbial cloak be broken, throw that crap in the trash.
Throwing the broken clock in the trash won't change the time. Nor will it contradict the nine other clocks giving the same time.
Credibility just doesn't work like that. If someone isn't credible, then their information deserves to be thrown out. It doesn't establish that the
inverse of their statements is true, nor that unassociated individuals with similar information aren't credible.
Quote Posted by Nedan
Seriously?! If someone took pot shots at not only you, but also your wife & family... wouldn't you be a little pissed off?
Acting unprofessional does, in fact, give credence to accusations of unprofessional behavior. People get emotional all the time. We properly expect an executive whose very job is management and public relations to handle themselves better under stress. And the nature of game development is almost always stressful.
Starker on 3/10/2015 at 05:22
Never mind whether mr Derek "Desktop Commander" Smart is right or not, he's the one who made this into a shitstorm. He took a few niggling doubts and made them into a full-blown paranoia fueled witch hunt, questioning not only the project, but also the character and the life of Chris Roberts to the smallest details, stopping short just a smidgen before whether Chris Roberts leaves the toilet seat up.
That is not to say that Star Citizen doesn't deserve to be questioned or criticised. Of course it does and especially by the press. But articles like "Eject! Eject! Is Star Citizen going to crash and burn?" are nothing more than clickbait of the lowest sort, the kind that one might expect of Kotaku or perhaps even Gawker. This is shoddy sensationalist rushed out "journalism" that whores itself out to the highest outrage bidder.
Nedan on 3/10/2015 at 08:45
Quote Posted by Pyrian
Throwing the broken clock in the trash won't change the time. Nor will it contradict the nine other clocks giving the same time.
Credibility just doesn't work like that. If someone isn't credible, then their information deserves to be thrown out. It doesn't establish that the
inverse of their statements is true, nor that unassociated individuals with similar information aren't credible.
WTF? Seriously... WTF? If you have 9 other clocks that are all broken & no longer tell time... common sense demands that you stop using them. Common sense would also demand that you use a clock that that has been proven to tell the right time correctly every time & is not broken. A clock that is unbiased & is not easily swayed by any outside forces. In this particular case... clickbait journalism.
Quote Posted by Pyrian
Acting unprofessional does, in fact, give credence to accusations of unprofessional behavior. People get emotional all the time. We properly expect an executive whose very job is management and public relations to handle themselves better under stress. And the nature of game development is almost always stressful.
No. Doxxing someone is unprofessional & is equal to someone breaking Godwin's law online in my book. Roberts getting pissed off about it is completely normal & human nature. Here's a quote from Chris Roberts:
Quote Posted by Chris Roberts
Derek Smart is very adept at doing what he has been doing; spreading Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. He always grabs one nugget of a fact and uses that to sell a whole lot of lies and disinformation. He tweets about Star Citizen EVERY DAY. Not once but multiple times. If you read his Twitter stream it comes across as the crusade of a crazy man. He continually blogs about us. He constantly agitates...encouraging people to ask for refunds, report us to the FTC, the FBI and/or their local attorney general. He calls me a liar, a fraud, incompetent and many other names. He has slandered my family members and business partners. He has publically doxed me, sharing the address of my home in LA, pictures of my wife and five year old daughter.If I were in his shoes I'd have spoken up a long time ago. For him to hold back this long showed a great amount of restraint on his part. And I'm sorry but even just the insinuation that getting angry gives credence to the opposing is the most asinine thing I've ever heard.
henke on 3/10/2015 at 14:58
Quote Posted by Nedan
WTF? Seriously... WTF? If you have 9 other clocks that are all broken & no longer tell time... common sense demands that you stop using them.
Pretty sure the nine other clocks in this scenario
are working, and the broken one simply shows the same time as them twice a day. And yes that proverb does apply here. Just because Smart is a dick doesn't mean there aren't problems with the development of SC. However, Smart being so anti RSI means I suddenly have a whole lot more sympathy for Roberts.