Renault on 13/2/2013 at 04:35
I think the X-wing books are only going to be of interest to the diehardest of die hard Star Wars fans, and don't translate as well to the visual. Something like Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy is more true to the spirit of the Star Wars movies, and IMO, would make great movies in and of themselves.
PigLick on 13/2/2013 at 06:27
Han Solo and Boba Fett : Back in the Saddle :cool:
Sulphur on 13/2/2013 at 06:45
Quote Posted by zacharias
That's fair enough it's questionable in terms of throwing too much at the screen, but again, that's on George really to set the direction.
Also, someone mentioned McQuarrie. Now, I love the guy. But it's worth remembering the godawful singing characters from Jabba's palace bit of ROTJ was an exact replica of his concept's. So that's George going back and doing it as faithfully as could be done to the original concept art. There's lots of shades of grey when you really nitpick this stuff.
Yes, I did. And no, I didn't call the prequels' art direction 'crap'. I called it pedestrian and prosaic in comparison, in what was mostly a joke post. I'm not sure why you're going off the deep end and getting defensive about it, as it's my opinion, and you're free to your own, and free to validate it by purchasing artbooks as you please.
Ralph had a singular vision that's visible across the concepts he designed, regardless of nits that may be picked, and the prequels had skill thrown at them in spades, but generic sci-fi motifs, visual noise, and cramming as many effects as possible into a scene in place of genuine vision a poor replacement makes.
heywood on 13/2/2013 at 12:22
Quote Posted by Thirith
To be honest, I can imagine J.J. Abrams to do a good job with the franchise. I greatly enjoyed his
Star Trek and thought it got the thing right that for me is most important about
Trek, namely the characters and relationships. I'm much more confident in his ability to deliver a well-crafted, well-paced film than in Lucas', especially if the script isn't hampered by Lucas' leaden pen.
I guess we have different tastes. Aside from Zach Quinto's portrayal of Spock, the re-imagined versions of the original characters don't do much for me. Chris Pine's Kirk and Simon Pegg's Scott had me cringing at times. It would have been better if they started over with fresh characters, because the decision to re-use the old characters while simultaneously discarding canon and developing a new fiction required jumping through some silly, contrived plot hoops. And it limited what they could do with character development.
And apart from the bits of origin story, it's just a basic Bond-type plot (stop the psychopath with super-weapon from destroying the Earth). It doesn't have the thematic and science fiction elements that characterize the Star Trek franchise. It works fine as a mindless roller-coaster action movie set in space, but I hoped for more and I'm likely to skip the next Trek film.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make to Brethren is that I'm not interested in more Star Wars films unless they are "authentic", i.e. in the style and spirit of the originals, and I can't envision that happening with JJ Abrams in charge. I am cautiously optimistic about the follow-up, which Larry Kasdan is supposedly writing at Lucas' request, but it all depends on who directs and produces. If Lucas was producing and giving overall creative direction, with Kasdan writing, and a director like Mike Newell with strong dramatic and fantasy credentials, then I might be looking forward to it.
zacharias on 13/2/2013 at 14:06
Quote Posted by Sulphur
Yes, I did. And no, I didn't call the prequels' art direction 'crap'. I called it pedestrian and prosaic in comparison, in what was mostly a joke post. I'm not sure why you're going off the deep end and getting defensive about it, as it's my opinion, and you're free to your own, and free to validate it by purchasing artbooks as you please.
Ralph had a singular vision that's visible across the concepts he designed, regardless of nits that may be picked, and the prequels had skill thrown at them in spades, but generic sci-fi motifs, visual noise, and cramming as many effects as possible into a scene in place of genuine vision a poor replacement makes.
Jesus..Where did I even say you called it crap? My post was a general comment, not directed at you despite you being the one who mentioned McQuarrie. You're the one being defensive. (Was ttlg always this hostile..? fuck me)
Sulphur on 13/2/2013 at 20:06
Quote Posted by zacharias
Jesus..Where did I even say you called it crap? My post was a general comment, not directed at you despite you being the one who mentioned McQuarrie. You're the one being defensive. (Was ttlg always this hostile..? fuck me)
Interesting. My recollection of your post in question had the word 'crap' grafted on in there. Well, my apologies. The rest of my post stands, however, for obvious reasons - whether your response was general or not, it directly addresses what I was saying, as no one else had brought that topic up.
So let me qualify that: I feel the unique qualities of Ralph's art - specifically, the stark geometry of it - have been lost in the turn the prequels took, which is a style that translates as generic if lovingly crafted mish-mash, and hence, is inferior to me. No one's arguing about the level of craft in the prequels, which can be good, but does not exclude it from being uninspired -- which, on the whole, it was.
It's one thing to mince opinion over this or that, which is where this is headed, and it's another thing to agree that, hey, different viewpoints with different levels of personal validity because none of us have the same pairs of eyes, so different strokes. I'd suggest the latter; if you choose to disagree, you're more than welcome to consider posting this discussion in the thread about things that drive you to kill yourself.
Scots Taffer on 16/2/2013 at 09:55
So Ford has signed on. Looks like fett's worst nightmares are coming true.
demagogue on 16/2/2013 at 10:22
I wonder if you line up the new Star Wars with the Star Trek reboot, how many of the scenes will literally line right up... I'm just betting Han Solo makes some clever, winking-to-the-audience cameo right at the same time in the plot Spock made his.
Scots Taffer on 16/2/2013 at 11:35
Doubt it.
fett on 17/2/2013 at 03:15
I can't bear to watch. Gods help us all.
