Phatose on 25/8/2010 at 17:54
Quote Posted by denisv
Steam is bloated DRM crapware. RMS definitely does NOT approve.
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http://fsfe.org/projects/gplv3/rms-20070401.jpegRMS is also bloated crapware. Guess he doesn't like competition.
Ulukai on 25/8/2010 at 18:01
PLEASE STOP FEEDING DENISV
Renzatic on 25/8/2010 at 21:51
Hate to break up the frenzy of furious nonchalance here, but inquiring minds and all that...
Who the hell is RMS?
Phatose on 25/8/2010 at 22:11
Richard M. Stallman - patron Saint of the GPL, president of the F.S.F. Also an extremist ideologue, to the extent that he's called restricting access to software a crime against humanity.
One of the loudest voices in the FOSS community, and also one of the ones most likely to get you an eyeroll and a "Yeah, but he's an idiot."
lost_soul on 26/8/2010 at 00:01
@Phatose:
So do you prefer the current system, where the developers sell you a product and then run off as soon as they get your money? They don't stick around to fix bugs that pop up a few years later, and they prevent the community that purchased their product from fixing the bugs themselves. Open source isn't about getting everything for free. It is about not getting screwed over when we pay for something, and have it become a nightmare to utilize a few years later when the developer decides not to fix said problems. Proprietary software reminds me of the Steve Miller Band song "Take the Money and Run".
I'm not saying everything must be open source. I'm saying people should actually understand the benefits of it. Now back to playing The Dark Mod on my NVIDIA Linux machine. That's another example. When NVIDIA decides to stop updating the drivers for new kernels, I will be screwed... Unfortunately, No one from the open source world can produce a graphics solution that isn't COMPLETE GARBAGE. NViDIA seems to support their hardware for 6+ years though, so for now they get my money.
Phatose on 26/8/2010 at 00:25
Bugs do not "Pop up" a few years later. Typically in that situation, what has actually happened is that the software environment has changed. If I buy a waterbed and 3 years down the line I move into a condo where no waterbeds are allowed, that's not the manufacturer's problem.
Do you have an example of the developers actually preventing the community from fixing bugs after they ceased support? Like, lawsuits, or something? Cause you know, a hex editor and devotion can fix bugs without the source code. Not giving that out ain't preventing bugfixes, it's just not helping them.
And no, it's no about getting something for free, but it ain't about not getting screwed either. The whole affair is based on the idea that not only do people has some intrinsic right to modify software any which way they like for their own use - which is probably fair - but that the developers have some moral obligation to make it as easy as possible for them. Which, frankly, is utter bullshit.
Yes, I think the current system works much better, actually. Basic economic incentives. The bugs that get fixed are the ones the paying customers care about, not the ones devs thought would be interesting.
june gloom on 26/8/2010 at 00:25
That's awfully hypocritical of you.
Phatose on 26/8/2010 at 00:33
How so?
lost_soul on 26/8/2010 at 00:39
... and if you move into a new place where waterbeds aren't allowed, you can rip off the top of the bed and replace it with a matress, *fixing the problem yourself*. If I buy a new PC, I have to go through a bunch of BS to get Thief 1 to play. Maybe I have to even change video cards to something from 2002, due to the NVIDIA crash. I wouldn't feel comfortable using some modified EXE file from some random guy to "fix" the problem.
As far as "economic incentives" go... Most people are happy with Windows XP. We are happy with it because it has a good audio system, including EAX support and it doesn't require 1 GB of memory just to browse the web. Instead of being able to build upon and fix the house we paid for (Windows XP), we are prevented from keeping it current/usable ourselves as time goes on. We must, instead, buy the new crippleware version of Windows, with no EAX support, features that give the entertainment industry control over our PCs, and maybe even lacking the ability to change the desktop background. If the construction company could prevent you from fixing homes yourself, why should they strive to build the best homes possible? They can build whatever crapshack they want and force it upon the public.
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http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1034845317)
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http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7desktop/thread/417c4620-26b7-48fb-a77a-6666df8d4bc3)
june gloom on 26/8/2010 at 00:44
Quote Posted by Phatose
How so?
God dammit Phatose get out of the way.
