Vivian on 8/8/2012 at 12:45
Watch me ignore that and have it make no difference to my life whatsoever
Kuuso on 8/8/2012 at 12:51
Considering how most EULAs are not worth the paper they're printed on, I wouldn't be too worried about this.
van HellSing on 8/8/2012 at 12:57
I'm less worried (Steam isn't exactly hard to circumvent) and more furious.
Jason Moyer on 8/8/2012 at 13:18
Shoot the hostage.
Phatose on 8/8/2012 at 13:35
Section 9 in the Valve EULA gives Valve to make unilateral changes to the Terms of Use, which you may either accept or refuse, but refusing will cause your account to be terminated. Been there for ages.
So, it's legal because you agreed they were allowed to do exactly that.
henke on 8/8/2012 at 14:09
What exactly was in the new subscriber agreement that was so bad? This could indeed be a bad thing if Steam suddenly decided to do something drastic, like instating a monthly fee for users. Not that I think they'd ever do something like that though.
jay pettitt on 8/8/2012 at 14:32
Quote Posted by Phatose
Section 9 in the Valve EULA gives Valve to make unilateral changes to the Terms of Use, which you may either accept or refuse, but refusing will cause your account to be terminated. Been there for ages.
So, it's legal because you agreed they were allowed to do exactly that.
I'm really not sure that's how law works. I'm no expert, but generally contracts between people would have to meet various conditions before they could be considered lawfully binding, let alone supersede statutory consumer protections.
Who knows what it's like stateside, but in the EU I think you'd safely be able to say that when Valve took your money they entered into a contract to supply you with the games you'd purchased irrespective of any wanky EULA small print.
If said games suddenly became unavailable for playing as video games then they'd be considered not fit for their intended purpose.
Kuuso on 8/8/2012 at 14:53
Exactly that, EULAs are not some magic entity that gives corporations the power to dictate any terms they want.
WingedKagouti on 8/8/2012 at 15:42
Quote Posted by Phatose
Section 9 in the Valve EULA gives Valve to make unilateral changes to the Terms of Use, which you may either accept or refuse, but refusing will cause your account to be terminated. Been there for ages.
So, it's legal because you agreed they were allowed to do exactly that.
Only if your local laws allow for that kind of agreements and whatever it's changed to. Some places have quite agressive consumer protection laws. Those laws can not be circumvented by whatever means a company attempts to use, not even by a written and signed contract. Of course, some laws do allow for two parties to agree to terms that are worse for one (or both) party than the law would at minimum require.
Also, rulings on similar cases cause precedent, which may contradict how a person interprets the law as written.
In any case, clicking an Ok/I Agree button in an application may not actually constitute a contractual agreement, again depending on local laws.
