Slasher on 11/8/2014 at 21:35
I'm surprised Steven Seagul is on the separatist side. He seemed like such a USA#1 patriotic guy back in the 90s. :(
[video=youtube;rLifidBN5S4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLifidBN5S4[/video]
driver on 11/8/2014 at 21:57
Maybe he's going undercover and he's infiltrating the ruskies in Operation: Out To Go Under Siege With Time For Justice To Kill.
Kolya on 11/8/2014 at 22:12
Two more in the macho power club. Say hello to Gerard Depardieu and our former chancellor Gerhard Schröder. Never mind that Putin's the head of a criminal government that throws inconvenient persons into jail via forged trials and pursues nationalistic and homophobic politics. He's just a cool guy if you get to know him personally, I'm sure.
Gryzemuis on 11/8/2014 at 22:17
As I've said before, western media are presenting a totally biased view of the situation. It's the Kiev-government that is bombing their own civilians in eastern-Ukraine. It's the Kiev-government that has a high number of shady people in it. The previous government was maybe corrupt, but they were legally elected. The current government is there because of a coup.
Russia has shown unbelievable restrain so far. They now pushed for a humanitarian mission, in stead of military action. What do you think the US would have done, if Americans would get bombed less than a 100km from the US border ?
And are you sure it were the Separatists that shot down MH17 ? Why was MH17 told to fly 200km north of where all commercial airlines usually fly ? Why did Kiev not release the tapes with the conversation between Air Traffic Control and MH17 ? When the other Malaysian airplane )MH370)disappeared, those tapes were released to the public after 3 weeks. And why does the US government not show any "clear evidence" ? Except that paint-jpg with a google earth background ? That was worse than their proof of Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. The Russians have released satellite images of BUK-systems being deployed by the Ukrainian army, just 8km from the place when MH17 was shot, 2 days before the event. And they released Satellite images of (the same) BUK systems the next day, 50km to the south. No info from Kiev, no info from the US.
When the Dutch, Australians and Malaysians wanted to get the bodies from the crash-site, the Ukraine government said they would do what they could to help. But in fact, they increased their attack against the area. They bombed the heck out of the crash-site. If they really wanted to help, they could have delayed their attacks for a few days. But they didn't. Who are the good guys here ? Did they bomb the crash-site to destroy evidence ? If so, why ?
There are reports that there were fighter-planes around MH17. Why is no info about that released ? Russia has released radar-info. That shows BUK-systems in the area at the time. Why does Kiev or the US not release more info ?
Kerry is a Warmonger. It's unbelievable, as he started his political career as an anti-Vietnam activist. But now it looks like the US is trying to force a war with Russia. Why ?
Maybe because the BRICS countries started (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Development_Bank) their own world-bank. To reduce the power of the IMF and the power of the US dollar.
Maybe the US wants to force a wig between Russia and Europe. To mess up the European energy-situation. I bet the US wants to sell Shale-gas to Europe. However, Shale-gas is a lot more expensive to get. And it needs to be transported by boat. Infrastructure for that is non-existent yet. Russian gas just flows through existing pipes.
Today all news in my country was about farmers being threatened to go bankrupt soon. Dutch farmers export for about 1 billion euros per year to Russia. That market is gone now. The products destined to Russia are now being dumped on the European market. Bringing down prices crashing. As a result, even farmers that didn't export to Russia will be financially hurt. The boycott seems to be hurting us more than the Russians.
Why another Malaysian airplane ? (After MH370). Is that pure luck ? Ihor Kolomoyskyi is an Oligarch in Ukraine. Multi-billionaire with Ukrainian and Israeli passport. Got promoted to governor of a region next to East-Ukraine. Has his own militia, officially part of the Ukraine army, but paid with his own money. They have BUK-systems. Malaysia has their own International Tribunal. Did you know that ? Because they think the one in The Hague is too biased. Last year November, they (
http://www.globalresearch.ca/kuala-lumpur-tribunal-finds-israel-guilty-of-crimes-against-humanity-genocide/5359404) convicted Israel for warcrimes. If Kolomoyskyi's troops shot down a plane, that would help them get support for their war against the rebels. And as a side-effect, they would punish Malaysia for their bold action against Israel.
Now I admit that this last suggestion is a little far-fetched. But are you sure you know what happened with MH17 ? Don't you find it suspicious that not more information is released ? If the US had any real proof of what had happened, and all finger point to the Separatists, don't you think they would have yelled it from their roofs ? And if it pointed to Kiev, they would try to cover it up ? So far, the US is silent with their proof.
Again, I don't know what the truth is. But I know one thing: it's not what the US and European media are trying to make us believe. Of course the Russian media (including (
http://rt.com/) Russia Today) are biased too. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. In reality, nobody knows who shot down MH17. But if you support the US-government actions "just because we are the good guys", then you incredible naive.
US and Europe started sanctions against Putin and Russia. Why did they do this ? Did Russia shoot down MH17 ? Nope. Are they fighting in Ukraine ? Nope. Did they give weapons to the Separatists ? Probably. (The Separatists got loads of weapons from the Ukraine armybases they took as well). On the other hand, the US armed shitloads of rebels in Syria. Who are now fighting with american weapons in Iraq to start the first Muslim State. It turns out that Russia was right, when they refused to back the rebels in Syria. Well done, America. When will we stop selling lettuce to the US because of that ?
This post is way too long. As usual.
But it's also way too short.
It's an issue with very little real evidence. But for some reason, all western media have decided that Putin is the new Hitler. It pisses me off.
Tony_Tarantula on 11/8/2014 at 22:37
Also note that the cockpit of the airplane was riddled with bullet holes. If you believe the official story that it was shot down by a missile this picture should be impossible.
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In order to justify war, the number one ploy is to always transform yourself into a victim and the target into the aggressor. This is the common theme to begin every war. It is WHY we must ALWAYS look closely at the real evidence. If you analyze history dissecting everything very carefully, you will realize that this is not something new, but has been used for thousands of years. The nature of society as a whole does not support ruthless aggression on a wholesale basis. To gather that support they must be transformed into a victim. The USA government knew Japan would attack Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen because the people did not support war to defend anyone else. Vietnam was the same thing. The Gulf War against Iraq was transformed into the aggressor that had nothing to do with 911. Even there with 911 they at the least knew what was coming and allowed it. They justify the death of civilians by saying they sacrificed their lives for the good of the country even if they had knowledge that they were being used in such a manner. To sleep at night, the civilians gave their life for their power-goals they always define as the national goals.
icemann on 12/8/2014 at 01:27
And in latest news, Martians found hiding at the center of the earth. More news to follow shortly.
Harvester on 12/8/2014 at 07:48
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
Also note that the cockpit of the airplane was riddled with bullet holes. If you believe the official story that it was shot down by a missile this picture should be impossible.
No, the BUK system uses missiles that explode about 20 meters from the target and fragment into little pieces, which tear the plane apart. According to experts the wreckage looks as it should if it's hit by a BUK missile.
catbarf on 13/8/2014 at 17:42
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
Also note that the cockpit of the airplane was riddled with bullet holes. If you believe the official story that it was shot down by a missile this picture should be impossible.
Actually, holes like that are consistent with shrapnel from a near-detonation of a missile warhead, which, incidentally, is exactly how the Buk's system operates, and exactly what analysts have been saying.
Whereas if it had gotten hosed by a Ukrainian MiG-29 or Su-27, which fire 30mm contact-detonation high-explosive, there wouldn't be a cockpit remaining, let alone neat little bullet holes.
Kuuso on 13/8/2014 at 17:55
Hating on USA so much that you support Russia is just simply fucking idiotic. This is aimed towards the conspiracy-dudes that, for some reason, are prevalent here as well.
