DaBeast on 14/8/2013 at 19:21
Quote Posted by LittleFlower
[spoiler]He gets stabbed. We are not sure he is dead. We are not sure he will die. I'm 99.9% sure that he'll survive. Either he recovers from the knife-wounds. Or he gets resurrected by Melissandre. (Note: in the TV-series Melissandre meets Thoros of Myr, and discusses R'hllor's kiss. A subtle hint that this is important, and my be applied to more people than just Berric). Or he wargs into Ghost. Whatever happens, I am sure he is not just dead.
Also, when GRRM was asked during an interview about Jon Snow's death, he replied "Oh, you think he's dead, don't you ?". GRRM then refused to discuss whether Jon Snow is dead or not. That is a clear indication to me that he's not just dead yet.
Link to interview -> (
http://shelf-life.ew.com/2011/07/21/dance-with-dragons-shocking-twist-g/)
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You are kidding, right ?
Fans have speculated that
as jon dies, his oath to the black watch dies with him. Which is why his death was kind of inevitable.I've never been a fan of GRRM. I found his writing very base, maybe even smutty at times when theres just no need for it, doesn't add to the story in any way and...well, others have argued this before so I'll leave it at that.
One problem I have with him, related to the OP, is that he tries to too hard to be shocking.
june gloom on 15/8/2013 at 06:46
Now watch. Nobody's going to start an argument with you.
If I said the exact same thing it'd be 2 pages of me being called a rape-obsessed weirdo. :3
Chimpy Chompy on 15/8/2013 at 13:33
I dunno, Martin has set out to very deliberately create a bleak, unfair and definitely not-sanitised kind of alternate-medieval-europe and anything shocking seems fitting given that context.
ok there was a description of Tyrion's dick that I could have done without.
[edit]I do wonder if the sense of "GRRM could kill a protagonist at any moment" is exaggerated. Several characters are on arcs where, if they died it wouldn't just be shocking, it would mean we've totally wasted our time reading about them. Arya for example might not live to see the very end but her whole "train to be an assassin" thing is clearly going *somewhere*. Also if we lose Jon that's the major POV character at the wall gone, which would make continuing the plot there difficult.
CCCToad on 16/8/2013 at 03:09
Quote Posted by dethtoll
IN THIS EPISODE
JESUS DIESFirst saw this post on my mobile, scrolling down the right side of the screen. I glanced at it and realized it had obnoxious allcaps, an attempt at insulting everyone with no real substance behind it, and a general snarky attitude. Turns out my guess as to the author was correct.
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I've never been a fan of GRRM. I found his writing very base, maybe even smutty at times when theres just no need for it, doesn't add to the story in any way and...well, others have argued this before so I'll leave it at that.
One problem I have with him, related to the OP, is that he tries to too hard to be shocking.
Tried reading some of his books overseas, but couldn't get into them for exactly those reasons. Seemed to me like he was trying too hard in every aspect of the book.
To the original topic, I think one of the most effective ones is when protagonists....well, they survive because they're needed for the story but it can make things a lot more interesting when them damaged either physically or mentally. One small example I can think of is when Paul survives a major event in the second book, but is blinded as a result.
june gloom on 16/8/2013 at 08:30
Quote Posted by CCCToad
First saw this post on my mobile, scrolling down the right side of the screen. I glanced at it and realized it had obnoxious allcaps, an attempt at insulting everyone with no real substance behind it, and a general snarky attitude. Turns out my guess as to the author was correct.
[video=youtube;r8o56Ubj1dQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8o56Ubj1dQ[/video]
