Stuck in skull of lysander

Maxrebo6 on 1/9/2011 at 06:13

I am stuck at several points in the thief 1 fan mission skull of lysander and here they are.
1.There appears to be two secrets rooms in lysanders room how do I open them
2.How do I open the big spider door on the first landing before ground floor
3.Whats the best way into his tower and how do I do it with the fake skull
4.Is it possible to not second alert the guard in the generator room with all the switches one of which opens the first gate to the inner courtyard.
And 1 quick gathering at the bar question or questions
1.what does the mysterious ring do
2.Can I enter any of the other doors in the area except the one that contains master nightfalls contact
Help with any of this would be appreciated.

Nightwalker on 1/9/2011 at 15:04

1. There's a lever beside the desk that opens one secret. Later in the mission, after you've switched the skulls, there's a bunch of switches. One of them opens the other secret panel.
2. I'm not sure which door you mean. Check out this (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70273&highlight=Lysander) thread . It might be the one you're asking about.

For Gathering at the Bar, there's an Easter Egg. You need a key from the safe in the bar downstairs. (In the bar counter. One of the guards upstairs has the key.)

You also need 4 rings:
1. Behind the banner at the top of the stairs to the upper level.
2. Lying in among the junk in the corner of the attic
3. On the ground in the corner opposite the door to the Psychic’s shop
4. On a ledge above the street blocked by wood beams.

Use the key to unlock the gate in the streets that’s behind a statue fountain. Head to the first door you see and use one of the rings on it. Behind is another door. Use another ring, etc. until all 4 doors are open. Behind it is a quote scroll, a flash bomb a healing potion and a bunch of glowing frogbeasts.

Maxrebo6 on 2/9/2011 at 04:49

Thanks that should help I let you know when I beat the mission,I already did GATI I was just curious.

Maxrebo6 on 2/9/2011 at 06:36

I beat though I must say it was one of the weaker missions I've play so far yet I am still early in so I am not yet to at the point were things are starting to get real good.But its still better than anything I could do.I am currently doing the odium and I must ask how do I get the key of the inverted hammer priest in the chapel like room on the first floor.

Nightwalker on 2/9/2011 at 14:19

As far as I know, there's no easy or sneaky way to get it. I think I used flashbombs to knock them all out. For years, I thought there might be a secret way in because of a rather obvious secret panel at the front of the church but then someone figured that out. The solution is posted (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72105&p=897218&viewfull=1#post897218) here but it's a disappointment because there's nothing useful in there.

These old FMs were not for the most part very polished, certainly not up to the standard we get from most FMs nowadays. There wasn't a lot of thought given to sneaking in many.

Maxrebo6 on 3/9/2011 at 00:50

The worst part is its not like I am try to ghost,I am just trying to avoid combat and killing anyone and second alerts.I didn't buy a flash bomb at the loadout screen thinking I wouldn't need it.I must say at this early point their was a lot of unnecessary tile abuse.Which depending on supplies,patrols and shadows and or ability to create them can either not much of issue or enough to make you rip out your hair.What about the starry room with the guy who has the Brother Murus voice clip.

fortuni on 1/7/2022 at 16:39

dml courtesy Glypher

Fixes:

- goal 0 (primary goal) - now the goal is being fulfilled correctly, irreversible
- goal 1 is now irreversible
- goal 2 (expert only) - now it works (correct target, irreversible)
- quest items (skull/skull of broca - correct type, game name, non-drop; lysander's plans - non-drop, game name, hard/expert only)
- AIs (hearing; lysander)
- doors (black screens, scaling, blockfrob, open position, position)
- misplaced objects (barrels, scroll, vase)
- minor fixes

Code:

DML1
//TG FM: Skull of Lysander by Phillip McReynolds / Fixes: miss41.mis.dml

#script "nvscript"

//starting point
ObjProp 72 "Position"
{
"Location" -4, 0, -5
}

//final goal (expert)
+ObjProp 47 "DiffTurnOn"
{
"quest var values" 0, 1, 2
}
+ObjProp 47 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrapSetQVar
}
+ObjProp 47 "TrapQVar"
{
"" =1:goal_irreversible_2
}
+ObjProp 48 "DiffTurnOn"
{
"quest var values" 0, 1, 2
}
+ObjProp 48 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrapSetQVar
}
+ObjProp 48 "TrapQVar"
{
"" =420:goal_target_2
}

//quest items
+Receptron 248 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target 384
Agent Me

Effect "clone_props"
}
++Receptron 248 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target Me

Effect "set_model"
{
"Model Name" skull
}
}
++Receptron 248 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target Me
Agent Me

Effect "move_obj"
{
"Heading" 180
}
}
++Receptron 248 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target Me
Agent -1629

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" FrobInfo
}
}
++Receptron 248 "Stench"
{
Max None

Effect "SetQvar"
{
"Quest Variable" goal_state_0
"Operation" Set To
"Operand" 1
}
}
+ObjProp 248 "FrobInfo"
{
"World Action" Default
}
+ObjProp 248 "GameName"
{
"" Name_sob: "Skull of Broca"
}
+ObjProp 248 "ExtraLight"
{
"Amount (-1..1)" 0.50
"Additive?" true
}
+ObjProp 248 "ModelName"
{
"" gskull
}
+StimSource 384 "Stench"
{
Intensity 1

Propagator "Contact"
{
Shape
{
"Contact Types" Frob Inv -> World
}
}
}
+ObjProp 384 "FrobInfo"
{
"Tool Action" Script
}
+ObjProp 384 "NoDrop"
{
"" true
}
+ObjProp 384 "InvType"
{
"" Item
}
+ObjProp 417 "DiffDestroy"
{
"quest var values" 0
}
+ObjProp 417 "NoDrop"
{
"" true
}
+ObjProp 417 "GameName"
{
"" Name_plans: "Lysander's Plans"
}

//doors
Create -147 "SD1"
{
+ObjProp "TransDoor"
{
"Open Position" 4.00
"Base Speed" 2.00
}
+ObjProp "Position"
{
"Location" 64.37, 6.9, -2.05
}
+ObjProp "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" StdDoor
}
+ObjProp "Scale"
{
"" 1.01, 1, 1
}
}
+Receptron "SD1" "Stench"
{
Max None

Target Me
Agent -1262

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" Class Tags
}
}
+StimSource "SD1" "Stench"
{
Intensity 1
Propagator "Radius"
}
-ObjProp "SD1" "PhysType"
+ObjProp "SD1" "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
Create -2045 "SD2"
{
-ObjProp "TransDoor"
+ObjProp "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 270
"Base Speed" 2.00
"Clockwise?" true
}
+ObjProp "DesignNote"
{
"" NVMetaTrapOn="TurnOff"; NVMetaTrapOff="TurnOn"; NVMetaTrapMeta="FrobInert"; NVMetaTrapTarget="&ScriptParams"
}
+ObjProp "FrobInfo"
{
"World Action" None
}
+ObjProp "BlockFrob"
{
"" true
}
+ObjProp "Position"
{
"Location" 5.9, -54.66, -27.88
"Heading" 4000
}
+ObjProp "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" NVMetaTrap
"Script 1" ""
}
+ObjProp "Scale"
{
"" 0.8, 0.5, 0.5
}
+ObjProp "OTxtRepr0"
{
"" fam\core\wdplnk2
}
}
+Receptron "SD2" "Stench"
{
Max None

Target Me
Agent -1263

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" Class Tags
}
}
+StimSource "SD2" "Stench"
{
Intensity 1
Propagator "Radius"
}
+Link "SD2" 356 "ScriptParams"
{
}
+Link "SD2" 357 "ScriptParams"
{
}
+Link "SD2" 358 "ScriptParams"
{
}
+Link "SD2" 359 "ScriptParams"
{
}
+Link "SD2" 360 "ScriptParams"
{
}
+Link "SD2" 361 "ScriptParams"
{
}
-ObjProp "SD2" "PhysType"
+ObjProp "SD2" "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
+MetaProp "SD2" -2418
+ObjProp 122 "Scale"
{
"" 1.05, 1, 1
}
+ObjProp 122 "FrobInfo"
{
}
+ObjProp 165 "FrobInfo"
{
}
+ObjProp 175 "FrobInfo"
{
}
+ObjProp 261 "FrobInfo"
{
}
+ObjProp 262 "FrobInfo"
{
}
+ObjProp 263 "FrobInfo"
{
}
+ObjProp 263 "Scale"
{
"" 1.05, 1, 1
}
+ObjProp 285 "FrobInfo"
{
}
-ObjProp 322 "TransDoor"
+MetaProp 322 -2418
+ObjProp 323 "DiffTurnOn"
{
"quest var values" 0, 1, 2
}
ObjProp 323 "CollisionType"
{
"" None
}
+ObjProp 323 "HasRefs"
{
}
+ObjProp 323 "Scale"
{
"" 0.01, 0.01, 0.01
}
-ObjProp 323 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 323 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
+MetaProp 325 -2420
+MetaProp 392 -2418
+ObjProp 392 "DiffTurnOn"
{
"quest var values" 0, 1, 2
}
ObjProp 392 "CollisionType"
{
"" None
}
+ObjProp 392 "HasRefs"
{
}
+ObjProp 421 "Scale"
{
"" 1.12, 1.12, 1
}
ObjProp 421 "Position"
{
"Location" 55.88, -18.475, -0.5
}
-ObjProp 421 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 421 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}

//AIs
+ObjProp 37 "AI_Hearing"
{
"" Below Average
}
+ObjProp 39 "AI_Hearing"
{
"" Below Average
}
+Receptron 173 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target Me
Agent 280

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" GameName
}
}
+ObjProp 173 "DesignNote"
{
"" NVRelayTrapOn="Slain"; NVRelayTrapTDest="[Me]"; NVRelayTrapTOn="[1.00]Stench"
}
+ObjProp 173 "GameName"
{
"" Name_Lysander: "Lysander"
}
+ObjProp 173 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" emageca
}
+ObjProp 173 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" NVRelayTrap
}
+ObjProp 173 "ModelName"
{
"" emage
}
+ObjProp 173 "SpchVoice"
{
"" vmages
}
+ObjProp 174 "ModelName"
{
"" skull
}
+ObjProp 280 "GameName"
{
"" Name_LysanderC: "Lysander's Corpse"
}

//barrels
+ObjProp 45 "FrobInfo"
{
}
+ObjProp 56 "FrobInfo"
{
}
+ObjProp 57 "FrobInfo"
{
}
ObjProp 57 "Position"
{
"Location" 38.6, -6.1, -27.1
}
ObjProp 58 "Position"
{
"Location" 38.6, -10.75, -27.1
}
+ObjProp 58 "FrobInfo"
{
}
ObjProp 187 "Position"
{
"Location" 19.5, -51.5, -28.15
}
-ObjProp 187 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 187 "PhysType"
{
"Type" Sphere Hat
}

//footlockers
ObjProp 51 "Position"
{
"Heading" c000
}
-ObjProp 51 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 51 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
+ObjProp 188 "JointPos"
{
"Joint 1" 90.00
}

//switches
-Link 52 323 "ControlDevice"
+Link 52 "SD1" "ControlDevice"
{
}
-Link 368 392 "ControlDevice"
+Link 368 "SD2" "ControlDevice"
{
}
-Link 422 323 "ControlDevice"
+Link 422 "SD1" "ControlDevice"
{
}

//loot
+MetaProp 356 -1629
+MetaProp 357 -1629
+MetaProp 358 -1629
+MetaProp 359 -1629
+MetaProp 360 -1629
+MetaProp 361 -1629
ObjProp 406 "Position"
{
"Location" 68.85, 16.875, 0.935
}

//scrolls
-ObjProp 414 "PhysType"
ObjProp 414 "Position"
{
"Location" 18.165, 12, -29
}
+ObjProp 454 "RenderType"
{
"" Not Rendered
}
+ObjProp 460 "FrobInfo"
{
"World Action" Script
}
+ObjProp 460 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" StdBook
}

//various objects
+ObjProp 118 "RenderType"
{
"" Not Rendered
}
ObjProp 145 "Position"
{
"Heading" 8000
}
-ObjProp 145 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 145 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
ObjProp 146 "Position"
{
"Heading" 8000
}
-ObjProp 146 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 146 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
ObjProp 147 "Position"
{
"Heading" 8000
}
-ObjProp 147 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 147 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
-ObjProp 172 "Scale"
-ObjProp 289 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 289 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
+ObjProp 339 "FrobInfo"
{
}
+ObjProp 350 "FrobInfo"
{
}
+ObjProp 351 "FrobInfo"
{
}

Aemanyl on 11/12/2022 at 21:43

Skull of Lysander is probably one of the first fan missions for Thief 1 that I have ever played. Garrett has been hired to retrieve from a wizard's fortress a magical item called The Skull of Broca. Skull of Lysander is a short mission that you can finish in 25-30 minutes. While one shouldn't expect any architectural or gameplay marvels, this heavily-guarded wizard's residence has a typical Dark Project atmosphere of sneaking through dim and narrow stone corridors and staircases. Skull of Lysander contains a few interesting and funny readables, there are also some simple yet nicely done SFX effects. Overall, quite enjoyable for a level from 1999. I'd like to thank Glypher for the .dml fix, it made the gameplay a bit smoother.