fortuni on 23/1/2015 at 10:05

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I'm undertaking a new project to write / compile walkthrough's and mini-walks for all the T1/TG missions and as there are a number of the early missions that do not work with Newdark patch, such as Oblivion and Thieves Quarters to name a couple i need to replay all these non compatable Newdark games with a Non Newdark Thief install.

my problem is that although i have the Mastertronic disc my CD tray no longer works on my computer, and the vanilla Thief Gold i have stored on my HD would appear to have Newdark installed (cam_mod show new mantle and cam_ext shows new mantle) as i did patch it install with Tfix before i saved it to my HD

is there anyway i can remove Newdark from that install ? if so how ? (would it just be a case of installing the last pre- Newdark Tfix) and once i have done that what would be the correct last pre-Newdark Tfix patch to re-patch that amended Thief Gold install ?

If all else fails i can always do the walkthroughs up to the point where the game can not progress any further and state clearly the cause, but it would be nice to do a full walkthrough where ever possible

Thanks in advance

Edit: problem solved have found a Non Newdark Thief Gold and have successfully installed Tfix 1.0

fortuni on 24/1/2015 at 14:13

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Thank you for that info Ricebug....it's not my installation these 2 mission are known to have Newdark issues, in 'Oblivion' you can't get into an important room near the end of the mission and in the 'Hand of Glory' half way through the mission, each time you try to pick it up you die (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143759&highlight=NewDark%2Bmissions)

but will play the missions with Newdark with your suggestions and see if this issues are resolved and if so i will include your info in my walkthroughs

there are a few other older missions that also have possible Newdark issues, could you have a look at the above thread and see if you can give advise on any of the other Fms listed in there.....very much appreciated

Edit: sorry Terry just realised I meant Thieves Quarters not Hand of Glory

fortuni on 29/1/2015 at 15:26

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Another couple of Questions

1. Whilst replaying an older mission in NON Newdark both my sword and blackjack showed up as white, i know this is due to an incorrect dark.cfg file so can i just copy and paste the dark.cfg file from one of my Newdark Thief installs or would that dark.cfg file be for exclusive use with Newdark only. If not where can i get a Non Newdark dark.cfg download from, as i do do not wish to patch this install with a recent Newdark Tfix and i wish to keep this install Newdark free. btw I have already patched this install with the last pre Newdark Tfix

also to prevent constant crashing would it help if i patched with GayleSaver's script ?

2. When replaying 'Amida' in NON Newdark i discovered that the bugbeasts that you need to kill are considerably tougher when playing via Non Newdark than they are when playing with my Newdark install. Did the Newdark patch make difference to to the fighting ability of Garrett or the kill factor of AIs.....i do seem to remember that many moons ago i used to hate missions that forced you to fight, but nowadays it does not bother me, even when re-playing those missions i hated first time around, but i always assumed this related to me becoming a better fighter, now i'm not so sure

bassoferrol on 29/1/2015 at 20:18

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ZylonBane on 29/1/2015 at 22:44

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Two things--

2. Nobody calls walkthroughs "walks".
3. Nobody calls OldDark "NON Newdark".