T2 FM: Bad Hangover, April 15th, 2012 - an entry for the Reloaded Contest #2 - by Renault
Thor on 3/5/2012 at 15:49
To answer nickie: No I did not start a new game
To answer darthsLair: I am using DLoader 4.3. (the newest I believe)
But that is irrevelant. When I went in the game later again that day it magically worked. The older I get, the less the Universe makes sense. Oh well.
So I just wanted to say, Brethren, that this was a deviously brilliant FM (in depth I guess).
Why devious? Because it is so dense with puzzles and things I had to just find without hints (that I noticed anyway) and such that I just couldn't figure it all out. And some of the climbing had to make me question if it's really supposed to be done that way (like how I got into the inventor's home by lantern + jumping on the piece of cloth by the balcony). I could not for the life of my find the key to the City Watch's Storage, which was, as I read in here, in Norrington's Quarter (which I SITLL couldn't find for a good while!) Was this actually hinted somewhere? Cause I must've missed it then. Also I wish I would've wasted less time on the orange lock without having the 3rd lockpick cause I didn't then know yet that it's impossible.
Ehm, what else. I think there were a few bits like that and a useful map would've been greatly appreciated, but even with it's annoyances (that were probably caused by my stupidity) it was a brilliant FM. I really enjoyed the atmosphere that the thunderstormy rain made and that the falvour+hint readables added to. Walking around in circles trying to find something I missed, the thundering noise started to annoy me a lot, but I guess that's my own fault. Found it a bit too loud for a regular kind of thing.
And I loved the inventor's character, being all inventory and stuff, enjoyin' whiskey (or whatever it was) with another fellow, a "down-to-earth guy". I enjoyed the flavour-hint mix readables like the one about magnetism, mentioning the electromagnet in the end and where Basso's note is left behind in the bunkhouse pointing out the third lockpick. It wasn't signed with "Basso" or anything, but I just knew it was him. Just like I knew the dead servant girl in the docks was Emilie (or what was her name). True, she had the key the bunkhouse guy was talking about but... the whole place just felt alive and thought out. You have quite a technical mind! And things made sense for the most part. All of this going together so well is what made the FM brilliant for me.
Kind of sad though that not even the ex-Captain with his Twin-Anchor tavern didn't make it out alive. And it was just a few hours ago... Oh well, dead is dead, I did like the guy though.
Btw, the inventor didn't make it out either, right? Couldn't quite get a sure fix on his corpse. Nobody made it out but us, right?
Also I did see the keeper too, though I don't think I triggered anything for him to be there. Keepers, right? Pfft, think they got it aaalll figured out.
Renault on 3/5/2012 at 18:47
Thor - thanks for the kind comments, your post made me smile a bit that someone got so much out of the mission. The FM is a bit of a mess in spots, I tried to cram a lot in, and obviously in some places it was too much. I did mention in the readme that climbing over buildings could break the mission. A couple of notes on some of your points:
Regarding getting into the City Watch storage: No key, you had to pick the red lock. The book on how to do this is in the bookstore. There's another storage nearby, near the store that got trashed, and owned by Elias Jordan. The key to the that storage is in an apartment you need to rope up to on Norrington Court. The hint is a crate at his storage which you can read the label on through the grate, it gives his address.
Regarding the orange lock: the lockpick book in the bookstore mentions you need a 3rd lockpick.
Re: The Captain, yeah, he didn't make it, but if he did, Garrett wouldn't have got that cool map, right?
Did you find the Old Guy the captain referenced? He's close to the Twin Anchors tavern too.
Re: The Inventor - He's a smart guy, he made it out, up into the mountains. ;)
Eiji on 3/5/2012 at 20:23
I figure there is some useful stuff in the pawnshop... but I cant find a way in... (if there is, its a bit too well camouflaged...)
btw: that bit with the eye was a nice bit of extra creepiness..
Thor on 3/5/2012 at 20:31
Yes, well the worst spot for the player was I think the place where it was expected for the player to just walk through the fire just like that. (Well climb over it more like). Especially with Basso. It was hard. Usually such a thing is for the people who have fun climbing out of the maps. Luckily I am half-way that kind of a person, but still was hard.
And the map could've used the "Norrington Quarter" levels of specifics. But other than those annoyances it was great!
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Regarding getting into the City Watch storage:
No key, you had to pick the red lock. The book on how to do this is in the bookstore. There's another storage nearby, near the store that got trashed, and owned by Elias Jordan. The key to the that storage is in an apartment you need to rope up to on Norrington Court. The hint is a crate at his storage which you can read the label on through the grate, it gives his address.Yeah I meant the "other storage nearby", I did crack the red lock without much problems. And I must've missed that hint cause then I still couldn't read a lot of the scrolls cause I didn't have the tnhscript then. Bwah, that was a pain
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Regarding the orange lock:
the lockpick book in the bookstore mentions you need a 3rd lockpick.
Yeah I know that now, I only found a book after a revisit. Funny story that. It was stuck to the "ceiling" of the wooden plank, not standing on the "ground" (in that small post-box) like gravity would demand.
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Re: The Captain,
yeah, he didn't make it, but if he did, Garrett wouldn't have got that cool map, right?Hah, that he did. So, a sequel featuring more of this perhaps? ;) Technically I could try and help with architecture since that's the only thing I know in dromed and you seem to hate it (Problem is I usually get bored with one thing after some time).
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Did you find the
Old Guy the captain referenced? He's close to the Twin Anchors tavern too.
Hmm I think so. But he had nothing on him right?
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Re: The Inventor -
He's a smart guy, he made it out, up into the mountains. ;)
Yay! :)
Renault on 3/5/2012 at 20:46
As I told my beta testers, it was frustrating that most of the items that needed "fixing" was stopping the player from doing things they weren't supposed to do. On that note...
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Yes, well the worst spot for the player was I think the place where it was expected for the player to just walk through the fire just like that. (Well climb over it more like). Especially with Basso. It was hard.
Actually you weren't supposed to be able to go that route. There is a
water bucket in the
bunkhouse which allows you to put the fire spots out so you can walk through normally.
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So, a sequel featuring more of this perhaps?
Sequel, yes, I actually started working on it before this mission, if that makes sense. It won't be a zombie fest though, but there will be plenty of stuff to do. ;)
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Hmm I think so. But he had nothing on him right?
Just a note for the
Keepers about how he
failed his mission.
Thor on 3/5/2012 at 21:04
Quote Posted by Brethren
Actually you weren't supposed to be able to go that route. There is a
water bucket in the
bunkhouse which allows you to put the fire spots out so you can walk through normally.
Oh dear god just as I feared. That hunch snuck up on me when I noticed the water was acting like an object... Goddamnit, but I didn't find a frobbable bucket there. I may have SAW one... I dunno. Stupid me
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Sequel, yes, I actually started working on it before this mission, if that makes sense. It won't be a zombie fest though, but there will be plenty of stuff to do. ;)
Excellent! And no need for zombies, I'm not a fan of them anyway. :)
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Just a note for the
Keepers about how he
failed his mission.
Yeah, the note in the water. Got it. :) It adds even more mystery to the man, though. He must've lead quite a colorful life.
shadows on 6/5/2012 at 07:40
I am having a tough time with this mission, need some help please. :D
[spoiler]OK, so the red lock apparently there's a book in the bookstore to help you on this, but, there's only books on Demolition and City Grids. There's another door that's locked and i suspect the book i need is in there, alluded to by the screwed up paper underneath the chair.
I can't find a way to disable the Stonemarket gate and am quite confused now as to what to do, made worse since i didn't play this mission through in one go, and now can't remember all the clues from last time.
So could someone give me the answers, i wanna try and finish this mission to vote[/spoiler] Thanks!
EDIT:
OK I worked out the red lock, i will post a big clue here, since, people often point out, people work something out and don't bother to say how they did it :D
Clue:[spoiler] The key to the red lock is that as long as the catch never returns to the starting locked position, then you have used the right lockpick. Then it's just a matter of 50/50 working out which lockpick to use each step of the way. I remember that this type of lock was used in another FM before, it's name escapes me. It does not matter if the catch moves backwards, as long as it never resets to the start position.[/spoiler]
nickie on 6/5/2012 at 08:09
The screwed up paper does refer to the book but it's not in the locked room. The note says Edan, I put that book you ordered in the usual place in your inbox . . . And near the blocked front door you'll find the inboxes.
shadows on 6/5/2012 at 10:22
Thanks nickie, i didn't find anything there at first, but i didn't look deep enough. :o
OK, i need some help, phew this is one long mission, haha.
[spoiler]The inventor has a lockup/storage place in Southquarter, the place with a gate, next to the weapons shop. But i've been in his house and haven't found any key.
A readable in the inventor's house mentions wiluby's (sp?) in Southquarter is where i would find a trigger core. But i can't find wiluby's, where do i find this core?
Finally said readable mentions a place in Auldare where i can find the trilock tool, needed as a third lockpick, again, i can't find such place.
Could someone point me in the right direction. Thanks.[/spoiler]
nickie on 6/5/2012 at 10:30
Someone else owns that storage. You can find the key in Norrington Court area in Stonemarket. If you face the weaponshop, go left and past the barrel with a carrot, through the small alley and you'll come to Norrtington Court.
The third lockpick is in the Docks area and you'll find a clue to that once you've got through to that area.
