Renault on 22/6/2012 at 18:40
Agreed 100% with Sly. I never read those Hammer texts anymore, I needed the video walkthrough to discover the location of the hammer. And the history book objective seemed arbitrary and came out of nowhere.
Other than that though, loved it. Great huge mission to explore, and loved the investigative/CSI type stuff to clear Garrett's name, lotsa fun. The City area was fun and well done, and of course, the Cathedral was big and gorgeous (although maybe a bit oversized).
Eiji on 22/6/2012 at 21:13
4 hours? PHEH... I finished this on beginner setting in just 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 41 seconds. (though I didnt get all the secrets).. its not THAT hard, just gotta use a systematic approach and a little detective work...
but all the same..this FM was VERY well-made... (one peeve I have is that sometimes you open a door only to have it vanish so you cant close it)
darthsLair on 22/6/2012 at 21:50
@sly and Brethren
Actually the location of the History book is revealed in the city library, and the whereabouts of the magic hammer is clearly spelled out in Landers book. The problem with it being truncated so that part of the description was not visible. It was fixed for Pedro's next update. The walkthroughs were not even needed. Reading the public library description of the location of the History book would have lead you to the magic hammer even if Landers book was not readable. The three books clearly mention the magic hammer being needed to free the Prize Hammer.
JonesCrusher on 22/6/2012 at 21:50
Quote Posted by Eiji
(one peeve I have is that sometimes you open a door only to have it vanish so you cant close it)
I don't recall anyone testing this fm having disappearing doors...and as far as I know,.. only you are having this experience..... Hmm
darthsLair on 22/6/2012 at 22:01
Quote Posted by JonesCrusher
I don't recall anyone testing this fm having disappearing doors...and as far as I know,.. only you are having this experience..... Hmm
object rendering can be different from machine to machine, and the brush limit is maxed, so I am not too surprised more wasn't reported in beta testing, although I have always thought that public testing is always the winner at the end. Think of the greater variety of public machines versus 14-15 beta testers. Time always tells. :eww:
darthsLair on 22/6/2012 at 22:56
Quote Posted by SlyFoxx
Nice mission indeed.
[spoiler]Brush work , AI, scripting, sound all first rate. But I did have two pretty big concerns.
Game play was well balanced as far as the AI were concerned but I had a few problems puzzle wise. I get in the vault and now another quest for a hammer. The clue for the Hammer wasn't implemented well. It was stuck after your standard boiler plate Hammer regimens that we've all read 10000 times. I can't imagine anybody reads those anymore nor do we want to. Don't put important clues after stuff like that. So I look at the map for a likely spot because I missed the clue. Storeroom and warehouse seem logical and they are close to the holywater pool! I'm thinking I've got this covered. Nope. Then I remember the hammers at the mayor's house. That's a bit of a walk but I've got no other ideas. Well that didn't end well. So I have to come here for a hint. Then I grab the hammer and now I need a book! Will this end I'm thinking? That wasn't so bad though...book? LIBRARY! I think it would have been tighter if the player knew from early on that a blessed hammer and book were going to be needed.
Loot requirement was excessive on expert. I'm short less than 100 and I've found all the secrets. Having to find 5000 of about 5200 on a map of this size is a bit much. [/spoiler]
Since the readme clearly speaks of hammerite treasure, then the first book to be of value to you would have been the History of lost treasures in the City Library.
Below is a carbon copy of that book:
page_0: "History of Lost Treasures
The greatest of lost treasures usually consist of historical items. That is, something that played an important role in the past but has since been lost.
A good example comes from the story of the Magic Hammer which concerns a Hammerite Brother who fell to his death during the construction of the great Hammerite Cathedral. Some wooden support beams high on the South end needed some planing and as this Hammerite was attending to it his foot slipped off the edge and he fell to his death.
The hammer he was using has since been lost and is reputed to possess magical powers.
The story also mentions a great Sacred Hammer possessed at one time by the old order which consisted of Artimus, Tulimus, "
page_1: "Seamus, and Klatimus. The history book with the full account of the story is located in the Cathedral of St. Vincent, in the Seamus Archives."Below is the History book which you obtain after obtaining the Prize Hammer. Mainly in this order because the chances of anyone following the City Library Lost Treasure book is slim. Therefore since they could not use this as a clue or puzzle to locate the Prized History Book it has to come later.
page_0: "Artimus, Klatimus, Seamus, and Trusimus were the first Hammerites to forge a Hammer made of platinum and gold. Some would say it was a little too fancy for wars.
Platinum be a hard metal and gold is heavy. Yet the Sacred Hammer of this period was used to crush many a head. Gold does not tarnish, so there is never a concern over rust.
After a century in battles, the Sacred Hammer which tasted buckets of blood was finally put to rest. For fear of it being a victim of theft, the Hammer was locked up in a vault.
Only the Blessed Hammer has the power to release the deadly field made up of enemy spirits. By touching the Blessed Hammer to the Hammer Icon located in the vault, the spirits are destroyed, thereby releasing it."
page_1: "Though reputed to be lost, the Blessed Hammer is actually kept in a safe place, out of reach. No one with any common sense would attempt to climb to the heavens where only eagles could perch.
When the great Cathedral was built, huge wooden support beams were placed high above the nave. while working there, Brother Tonius slipped and fell to his death. And so, in his name, the Blessed Hammer marks the place of his sacrifice.
Everyone fears being cursed should they attempt to touch the Blessed Hammer although it has been ages since the Hammer was cleansed in Holy Water.
Once it is cleansed in Holy Water, then and only then will it release the Force Field of the Dead."
The 2 books clearly speak of the Prize Hammer, and the Magic Hammer-its location ,and that it must be blessed.
Priest Lander's Ham book only speaks of the location and the need to bless the magic hammer. and to the exact location of the History Book needed for the objective.
Without the Priest Landers book, these two valuable books are enough to win the mission concerning the Hammers.
Stingm on 23/6/2012 at 06:01
Well I am really enjoying this mission. I have proved my innocense and have moved on to the vault heist. The problem is I have all keys except number 4.:confused: I have searched high and low with no luck. Any help appreciated! :angel::thumb:
Sagittal on 23/6/2012 at 06:35
Quote Posted by Stingm
Well I am really enjoying this mission. I have proved my innocense and have moved on to the vault heist. The problem is I have all keys except number 4.:confused: I have searched high and low with no luck. Any help appreciated! :angel::thumb:
You'll need to head back to the city and find Melinda - you'll find her
patrolling along the canal past the mayor's and the water management buildingkarstenpontoppi on 23/6/2012 at 12:54
cardia1 and DarthsLair,
Thank you for a amazing mission. Very nice work. :thumb:
Liked the movie pictures! :cool:
Liked the story!
darthsLair on 23/6/2012 at 14:17
Quote Posted by karstenpontoppi
cardia1 and DarthsLair,
Thank you for a amazing mission. Very nice work. :thumb:
Liked the movie pictures! :cool:
Liked the story!
Thanks for playing, and We are glad you enjoyed it.:)
