Cardia on 27/12/2017 at 20:35

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Ahhh, i´ve read it, thanks.

Arrowgrab on 28/12/2017 at 01:04

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A stunning mission and its release is a sad but appropriate tribute to Lady Rowena.

I have a few questions:

- Where is key 18? I know it involves the sewer maintenance man, but the key you can find at his wake is a different one, and #18 doesn't seem to be in the box opened by THAT key, either.
- Is there way to open to combination lock in the bank? If so, where is the combination?
- Where is the key to the jeweller's shop? I figure itshould be with Nolan, but I can't find him and it doesn't seem to be in his room at the Merry Widow, either.



Is that the one you pick up at the wake? If so, go through the secret areas listed earlier in the thread. More specifically, the channel with water falling from a metal pipe.

frobbin hood on 28/12/2017 at 09:50

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Arrowgrab

Thanks for the hint.

For the bank combination: Seek out the manager's house and look for his wife's diary.

Jewellers:Find another way in - from higher up!


And another question ! How do I ge into the Security systems shop?

ultravioletu on 28/12/2017 at 12:15

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Of well, just finished it (at work! :)). I am still dumbfounded by the ending, while in pharmacist's house I was thinking: hmm, it's simple, it feels almost anticlimactic. Then, BAM! I did not see that coming.

Time: 1:50:37. Real time: about 10-12 hours spread over three days. Playstyle: as usual, blind supreme ghosting (with short explorative BJ runs at few places I deemed tricky: police station, bank manager's, winding road and bank, followed by reload). Alas, failed... :(

Found 9882 out of 10426 (12 left out intentionally for supreme; after consulting the loot list, I realized I also missed: twice coins, secret balcony, candlestick on wooden roof, purse under bench, secret purse at hammerites', secret money box in sewer and the unusual money box at Mollin's, I thought it's mere decoration).
Pockets picked: 7 out of 14 (not picked: 6 arrows on archers and bank key)
Locks picked: 34 (!). I tried to keep, klatremus-style, this number as low as I could, but I'm unsure whether I achieved the minimum possible.
Backstabs, Knockouts, Damage Dealt/Taken, Healing Taken, Innocents/Others Killed, Iron Beasts Destroyed/Disabled: all 0.
Secrets found: 4 out of 8 (three missed as per above, after reading a spoiler here I realised that the last one is impossible for ghost since it involves property damage. I did not even pick the sword, so I must restart the mission to see how it looks like).

I couldn't find a way to supreme steal the 12 gold from Charlotte's bedroom. I originally though it's not even ghostable, but after getting all other loot I thought I gave it another shot. I went back and managed to pick the box after removing light sources. I used the same method as at Norden's, where believe it or not I could clean up the place without touching the light switch and without a single chirp from the mechanical face; it was however a mighty exercise of sheer tediousness, and if that did not teach me patience, I don't know what else would (well, that, and sneaking past those four unnerving enemies around mechanist place, with their opposite patrolling directions, I could barely find openings to move around...).

I personally busted the ghost mode by consulting the loot list when failing to gather all deposit box keys while still outside. It never occurred to me that one might be inside the bank. After fruitlessly spending a couple of hours wandering though city, I had to choose between restart + avoid triggering the objective for supreme and cheat. I took the easy way...

Another avoidable bust (for Supreme only) was in my case the fact that the Nolan objective did not check off, even after entering the room. Probably because I had already lost my way in there, before receiving the objective. Of course, I could restart and ensure that I get the objective early enough, but since anyway I cannot claim success as per above, I won't bother now with it. For later replays, sure....

I judge the mission as “not ghostable” anyway, due to the ending. One might argue that it was scripted and/or invoke the “Undercover” precedent. But it doesn't hold, imho. There is no explicit objective asking to trigger the alarm, nor to meet Mr. Mercuzio, therefore both are busts to all ghost modes. The rest can be ghosted, perfect thieved, supremed, however not perfect-supremed, and the process of doing so was fun (the occasional irritations like jeweler's and hammerites' were more than compensated by the dopamine-inducing completions of those areas).

Overall, a very nice mission, great looking, immersive open city, nice readables delivering a nice story, but also hints (e.g. without the explicit reference, it wouldn't have occured to search for the sunken ring). I also enjoyed the small details like house numbers. Lady Rowena legacy reached us even from beyond her final resting place, thank you Yandros for making this possible.

jiansonz on 28/12/2017 at 16:37

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More about key #18:

Hint: Apart from the safety box customers list, there is another readable that mentions the person who rents the box. The key is quite close.

Specific place: Apartment at Swan Crest 4 (rope up)

Outright spoiler: in the secret compartement behind a painting (frob book to open)