Euphrosyne on 20/6/2011 at 16:58

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I don't know about the right way, but I found the INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT way (and I mean god awful horribly difficult, if its intended to enter as I do you are EVIL for making this FM Jackinthebox!) to ghost past the 5 guards in the alley. Yes, I am not kidding, it can be done. I will admit, I got a ton of "Not sure" remarks, but no guards actually went on alert status.


Just before the lamp and facing the guards, if you look up you can see the bottom side of the left roof is wood. You can either use rope arrows to jump to the spot of Darkness just in front of the first 2 guards facing you, but amusingly it's just dark enough that you can run right over into the dark spot and be inches from the guards.

Once you are in the dark, shoot a moss arrow (not at full strength, you just want it to go up and over the guards)so it lands just in front of the blinking street lamp. Now, take your rope arrows and shoot one in the middle of each of the last 3 windows on the building so you can rope jump over the guards. Once on the last rope, time the final jump from about halfway down the rope so you land on the moss just as the light goes out, and quickly go behind the tree. If you jump from too high you take damage and alert the guards.

It took me like a million trys to pull off figuring it out, but I was hellbent on ghosting, and Ill not be dettered by a swarm of spiders or a guard regiment!

fibanocci on 20/6/2011 at 18:53

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This is a Deathstage12 bug. Happened while testing the mission, too. Try to avoid the fire elemental.

cattamer on 20/6/2011 at 19:12

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Fire elemental is not a big problem. I can easily avoid it. But the frame rate drop is a serious problem (about 3-4 fps). If I look down or up it's ok. But you can't jump looking down or up.

Is there a way to turn off the smoke effect?

Unkillable Cat on 20/6/2011 at 19:56

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For those attempting to ghost this mission, I'm afraid that it's impossible. If the alleyway of spiders isn't a big enough clue, there's another well-lit passageway full of spiders near the end of the FM. I'd like to see someone get through that without being spotted and/or killing anything.

As for the FM itself - it's good, but there are some weird quirks that prevent it from standing out. For one thing, mansions are normally not designed with long passageways, like they'd been mined out of the earth. At least the basement being a maze is justified in-game.

Another thing - WAY too many guards. I had 86 knockouts (Expert) at the end of the FM, which is probably close to a record - the first mission of Ruins of Originia may be the only FM with a higher number. While that too is justified in-game, it just feels like overkill.

But for a first-time effort, it's incredible. These quirks help to give the FM a good Thief 1 vibe, and I certainly wasn't bored while playing it. Except for the expedition bit. While it gives the mission a badly-needed change of pace and scenery, it just felt too much like unwanted padding.

I look forward to seeing more of your work.

cattamer: As for the "unkillable" fire elemental - I'm guessing you're referring to the one on the far left. Try aiming for the corner of the broken block just to its right. That did it for me.

MrMunkeepants: There are 3 doors in the basements that lead to the sewers, but each door leads to a different part of the sewers. One of the areas serves as an entry into the mansion, one leads to the Alchemist's lab that the widow set up (not related to the alchemist outside of the mansion and one leads into a larger sewer system. In there you'll find a door that will lead you to the burrick caves - along with other things.

jackinthebox on 20/6/2011 at 20:45

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Hello...
We had the problem with the fire ball yet in beta, maybe u can give a screenshot WHICH fire ball?
i thought i had solved the fire ball problem, deleted one of those..... maybe its all glitched with the fire balls... i gotta deal again with it...

also i look if i can solve the lag- problems...
maybe i provide two versions without the additional SFX...

thanks...


About the hard beginning in the streets:
Watch the walls and watch where u can climb all... U dont need to go across the guards, nor across the spiders. I made a third way that u can reach if u watch where u can climb and where u can use rope arrows. in the city is no spot where u can use a rope arrow without a purpose... any wooden piece has its purpose :)

The ruins are important, because they will play a role in the further "campaign"...


are ghosters not allowed to kill spiders? :D
in theory u can get across those spiders in the caves if you use the invisible tonic...


unkillablecat, thanks for the long feedback, i appreciate that :)
i know its not an outstanding mission, its my first mission^^ but im happy u still like it :)
the air brush of the library inside the manor, it was the first brush i ever made in my life haha :D