S_Hole on 24/5/2009 at 06:02

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they integrate with thief fine, if you have codecs sorted for it
i don't know what the hold-up is, so here;
(http://www.persiist.com/present/temp/xvids/)
you'll have to rename briefing to b19.avi for it to work in thief
remember that these are unsupported as they work unreliably in thief
also, they'll look even worse than indeo versions inside thief if you do not have ddfix installed (that thief 32bit renderer)
primarily meant for higher quality watching seperately outside thief

also, the online versions work fine on any platform with flash;
(http://www.vimeo.com/4586927) briefing at vimeo (better quality)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlDTetUFId0) briefing at youtube
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c725hQzd7GU) other videos at youtube

also, there IS ffdshow for linux;
(http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks)
i don't know what version it is, but up to date ffdshow has indeo support

i believe what yandros meant with CCC was (http://www.cccp-project.net/) CCCP, which is essentially just ffdshow with some extra stuff

Haplo on 24/5/2009 at 08:20

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How come I am not allowed to kill them but they are allowed to kill me?!

nickie on 24/5/2009 at 08:24

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Because you're the good guy and they're all thoroughly nasty, conniving, cheating, bad guys. :)

I believe they're just knocking you out. But as someone pointed out earlier, pav or JonesCrusher possibly, you can't complete the mission if you're unconscious.

Haplo on 24/5/2009 at 12:35

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In that case why shouldn't I be allowed to hit them with my hammer (or repeatedly with my blackjack or pick up one of their swords and hit them) and render THEM unconcious?

Unkillable Cat on 24/5/2009 at 13:31

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I patched my version of this mission and am now playing through it again, this time with a more critical view. Being aware now of the hyper-sensitive AI of the blues and golds in the first encounter, I decided to see just how bad things were. After close to 10 failed attempts at getting past them, each because of a different reason, I just have to ask: Why? Why begin the FM with an encounter that has a random outcome, where the factors that determine said outcome are well outside the realm of reason for what a guard should (and should not) be able to do? They can see and hear me in pitch darkness, while I'm crouch-walking, through objects. The Moss Arrow changes nothing about this. They will rather spend time trying to get me than turn around and deal with the guard that's stabbing them in the back. At least they'll follow the Noisemaker Arrow...most of the time.

The encounter is still "doable", but right now my suggestion for the HI team is to release another version of the mission, one where this encounter is completely removed. As is, its presence does more harm than good, and deters alot of Thief players from playing on past this point. Which is a crying shame.