Winter Cat on 20/1/2009 at 16:54
In Thief 2 mission numbering is different than the actual order of the missions. While TDP/TG has correct order, I wonder why it's not correct in T2. Courier goes before Blackmail, but in the actual game it goes after. Could LGS change the plot while mission making, so that required changing mission order? For example after trailing Mosely Garrett somehow learned that sheriff wanted to kill him and then decided to break into Truart's mansion with the recording acquired from the bank, though it's not clear what Garrett in bank is after(it's surely not recording as it wasn't known yet about Truart's intention by Karras' order to eliminate Garrett) and what in the bank makes Garrett trail Mosely. The plot had to be seriously changed for that.
Also Precious Cargo goes after Masks. Maybe having robbed Angelwatch Garrett, by Viktoria's suggestion, decides to break into Gervaisius's mansion, after which Garrett receives Viktoria's direction to seek Cavador. Then it becomes known about true Karras plan and Garrett goes to Soulforge to stop him.
Just my thoughts why the order's the following:
miss1.mis - Running Interference
miss2.mis - Shipping... and Receiving
miss4.mis - Framed
miss5.mis - Ambush!
miss6.mis - Eavesdropping
miss7.mis - First City Bank and Trust
miss8.mis - Courier
miss9.mis - Blackmail
miss10.mis - Trail of Blood
miss11.mis - Life of the Party
miss12.mis - Casing the Joint
miss13.mis - Masks
miss14.mis - Precious Cargo
miss15.mis - Kidnap
miss16.mis - Sabotage at Soulforge
Any other ideas?
jtr7 on 20/1/2009 at 19:14
The missions were rearranged to fit the story once the devs figured out where the story was going. The missions were designed first, before much of the story was written, and the story was written to utilize the maps. This accounts for the story's awkward telling in parts, as well as the Casing/Masks problems.
And gave us this, from the quote scroll:
[INDENT]Dan K: 'So, when we put in 2, we used to crash, because 3 isn't there anymore, but now Framed, which is 4, is 2.'
Alex: 'Right.'"
Dan K: 'So Courier, which is 5, is 4?'
Alex: 'No, Courier is 3.'
Dan K: 'This is idiotic.'
Alex: 'But note that when you get to 12 and 13, they're actually 12 and 13.'
Dan K: 'Right, but 16 is 14 and 15 is 11, so that's not actually helpful.'
Terri: 'What about mission 10, is that 10?'
Alex: 'No, it's 8. Unless we shift everything up by a number, in which case it will be 9.'[/INDENT]
Hiatus on 21/1/2009 at 12:17
wonder what the dropped miss3.mis was going to be... any ideas?
Yandros on 21/1/2009 at 12:45
A museum mission. I believe it's in the unfinished T2G missions which were "released" to us a couple of years ago.
Hiatus on 21/1/2009 at 16:34
museum, and not slums? are you sure?
Queue on 21/1/2009 at 16:57
Quote Posted by Yandros
A museum mission. I believe it's in the unfinished T2G missions which were "released" to us a couple of years ago.
I really am a dink--I didn't know these existed. :tsktsk:
jtr7 on 21/1/2009 at 18:12
Mission 3 was going to be the Museum.
From the schema
AMB_M03:Quote:
//MISSION 3 "MUSEUM"
//Sadly, this mission has been cut from the game.
And from the (
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:QvQ0hbxbqxkJ:www.sshock2.com/articles/01.htm) LGS Memorial Chat, ("Solus" is Mike Ryan):
Quote:
[00:07] solus: I was originally working on an ACTUAL museum mission for T2G ... but it was punted when i left the project to help out on the siege engine editor.
242 on 21/1/2009 at 19:05
Quote Posted by jtr7
And gave us this, from the quote scroll:
[INDENT]
Dan K: 'So, when we put in 2, we used to crash, because 3 isn't there anymore, but now Framed, which is 4, is 2.'
Alex: 'Right.'"
Dan K: 'So Courier, which is 5, is 4?'
Alex: 'No, Courier is 3.'
Dan K: 'This is idiotic.'
Alex: 'But note that when you get to 12 and 13, they're actually 12 and 13.'
Dan K: 'Right, but 16 is 14 and 15 is 11, so that's not actually helpful.'
Terri: 'What about mission 10, is that 10?'
Alex: 'No, it's 8. Unless we shift everything up by a number, in which case it will be 9.'[/INDENT]
:laff:
nicked on 21/1/2009 at 20:04
Yeah, the museum would have been 3. There was no clear placement for Slums or the College mission. Fallen Hammers was (at least at one point) directly before Sabotage at Soulforge, and Waking the Dead (the necromancer mission) was between Casing & Masks. This is based off Emil Paguliaro's notes.
The Thief2Gold missflag.str was pretty complicated...
Hiatus on 22/1/2009 at 12:24
hmm, strange:
Quote:
T2G-Slums.zip - Maybe the farthest along of the T2G missions, this slums-based mission was to feature Garrett trying to go about his business while dealing with the city watch battling it out with thugs.
It was to be the first of the T2G missions, possibly set after Shipping & Receiving, and act as a new introduction to The City Watch.
any ideas/info on other missions' what/why (what G. would have been doinf there (possible objectives) and *why* visit these places, and their possible place/part of plot?). Only know about this one:
Quote:
Edit: A little more on that Hammerite mission... The idea was that Garrett gets a Hammerite priest drunk in a bar and gets him to spill some info about Karras's past within the order, and he then has to go follow up on it by breaking into an old run down Hammerite church.
