john9818a on 21/5/2020 at 19:56
I saw something rather peculiar: I'm not sure which building it is, but I managed to lock the opera actors inside that building, and later when I passed by that building, I could see that the opera actors were trying to walk through the door. After I ran out of the Thieve's hideout I saw the "hermit" voice actor walk through that door and walk back to the opera.
btw home or house... either way. :) I didn't want to sound harsh, but there are lots of things that can be addressed. :)
Master of Dromed on 21/5/2020 at 20:09
Quote Posted by john9818a
I saw something rather peculiar: I'm not sure which building it is, but I managed to lock the opera actors inside that building, and later when I passed by that building, I could see that the opera actors were trying to walk through the door. After I ran out of the Thieve's hideout I saw the "hermit" voice actor walk through that door and walk back to the opera.
btw home or house... either way. :) I didn't want to sound harsh, but there are lots of things that can be addressed. :)
I know there are many things that need to be fixed, i work making an update right now :) Don't know when this will be ready since there are so many things to fix, fixed almost 100 bugs and issues until now. Thanks for your feedback and I will wait to see if you can complete the mission, many people reported that is hard to find Raputo.
john9818a on 22/5/2020 at 01:59
I found Cedric, but later the thief killed Cedric. :( I would like help with finding the back door. :)
Master of Dromed on 22/5/2020 at 04:26
Quote Posted by john9818a
I found Cedric, but later the thief killed Cedric. :( I would like help with finding the
back door. :)
Not sure if i understand well.. Cedric
gave you the key to the manor and the scroll? Look if you have
the objective "Find Cedric in the market" checked. If yes it doesn't matter if he is dead or not.
About the back door: you first have to
enter Raputo's quarter. From the entrance in the market go north on the compass. You will find a big fake gate near
a tower with a big R letter. Near the gate is
a guard with a key who is turning from time to time in two directions. Knock out the guard
take the key and open the door near the guard. That is the entrance in Raputo's quarter. Next you have
to find Raputo in this quarter. He is patrolling on the streets with his 2 bodyguards, a swordsman and a bowman. From time to time
he stops in four locations: on the tavern, on the casino near the mages area (not at the casino in the market, there are 2 casinos in this map) at the mages building and at his mansion. The back door is in case
he is in the mansion otherwise you don't have to use it. You can finish this mission without
entering the mansion if you find Raputo in the other places. Raputo's mansion is
south east of the map on the compass.
john9818a on 24/5/2020 at 11:29
I found his quarters, but the problem I have now is I'm on my last health shield (typical for me) and I have no KO left. Don't I need to KO Raputo?
Master of Dromed on 24/5/2020 at 11:48
Quote Posted by john9818a
I found his quarters, but the problem I have now is I'm on my last health shield (typical for me) and I have
no KO left. Don't I need to KO Raputo? Of course you need to KO him :) And with 1 shield hp left i don't think you will do it :) Just load a previous save and remember to save often and have many saves not just 1. I remember in the market one hammerite has a healing potion on his belt, maybe you cant return to market and steal that potion to heal then return to Raputo's quarter.
PinkDot on 24/5/2020 at 15:19
...unless you have a gas arrow left.
I actually had a very satisfying experience with a gas arrow in this mission. I took Raputo down with his two companions and the barman in the tavern - 4 in one shot!. It was a bit of a chance though. And I believe, the gas arrow KO did not contribute to the KO limits. Not sure if intentional or not, but I ended up with 14 knockouts and I remember I opened a save game in Dromed some time before getting Raputo to check how many I already knocked down (cause I lost track) and the 'drsknockout' variable had a value 13. (I KO'ed one more guy before Raputo).
Master of Dromed on 24/5/2020 at 17:24
Quote Posted by PinkDot
...unless you have a gas arrow left.
I actually had a very satisfying experience with a gas arrow in this mission.
I took Raputo down with his two companions and the barman in the tavern - 4 in one shot!. It was a bit of a chance though. And I believe, the gas arrow KO did not contribute to the KO limits. Not sure if intentional or not, but I ended up with 14 knockouts and I remember I opened a save game in Dromed some time before getting Raputo to check how many I already knocked down (cause I lost track) and the 'drsknockout' variable had a value 13. (I KO'ed one more guy before Raputo).
PinkDot you found the expert KO limit impossible? I was thinking to make the KO objective on expert optional in my update. What is your opinion?
PinkDot on 24/5/2020 at 21:28
I don't know. 16 sounds generous enough, except you don't know, how many humen are left there, so I took it a bit relaxed early on and knocked out some annoying guys. If not for the gas arrow thing, I would have struggled much more to complete it. BUt if you address issues mentioned by others, like streets too well lit, without places to hide, then it may be just enough to succeed. Cause once spotted, I often had to run through a number of streets to find a place to hide or escape and then I got lost, cause I couldn't find a way back in that maze... So, if hiding is not that difficult, then you wouldn't need to KO as many of them.
Also, since I'm on it - the KO limit should not apply to Raputo I think, as he needs to be KO'ed anyway. Unless you state it clearly, that he is included in the limit, but then you may raise the limit a little bit.
john9818a on 24/5/2020 at 23:11
Yeah the gas arrow KO don't count against the total. I can understand Garrett not wanting to KO too many because (in the manor, building etc. ) would get suspicious, but only in a story. The AI probably would not actually get suspicious. I remember one of the OM had a KO limit but that wasn't a city full of AI. This mission has 114 AI and I don't know how many are rats/spiders or AI off the map for behind the scenes uses, but I ask myself would Garrett really limit himself when it comes to KO. :) I'm always happy to KO every AI in the mission, and in a big city a lot of excess time is spent running back and forth, and for me it would be less time consuming if I didn't have to ghost everywhere. Having just one health shield isn't really a problem as long as I don't get hit by anything.
