vfig on 15/12/2018 at 17:51
Quote Posted by Haplo
The pressure plates in front of the book: In each row there are four tiles on the floor and three on the walls. The tile that is not shown on the wall is safe to step on.Hah, I never noticed
the walls at all! I reasoned that the
four tiles in the center of the room in front of the pressure plate showed a circle leading to a forward-pointing triangle, and beside that, a backward pointing triangle leading to a circle. So I stepped on the circle (so far so good), then the forward-pointing fleur-de-lis, then... I got stumped. Through trial and error I found the next safe tile was the lions holding a cup, but couldn't figure out how that matched up to the backward triangle. But then the last safe one was the circle again, so my theory was proven "correct" :cool: — was this just sheer coincidence?Had a lot of fun in this mission, but got really lost with all the backtracking and keys/levers opening new passages. Far and away my favourite bit was
the fire-shadow guardian! Not a difficult puzzle to figure out (though initially I thought it was a bug that it just froze as I approached the room!), but a very entertaining puzzle to actually execute. Took me a few seconds to realise the roof was coming down at the end, and only just avoided being crushed in the nick of time. I thought I'd missed something when I found
the Keeper key before having killed or even found the second guardian, but I learnt my lesson quickly. And the way to kill it was also pretty clever. Lots of variety and a lot of fun! It took me 2:04, and I found
7334/8704 loot. And knockouts:
36, of which 3 were frogbeasts :cheeky:
jiansonz on 15/12/2018 at 21:17
IMO, this mission is awesome. I had a great time slowly making my way through all those puzzles. Needed the help in the thread about the fire key but got through the rest on my own. (Was pretty good at keeping mental notes of 'passages not yet tried' and 'passages that may open later'.)
Initially, when I finally found that 'fireplace key', I thought I was about 95% done with the mission...and it turned out to be more like 15%...:D
Not asking for the technical side of how it was done, but I thought the "Objective Complete" message was 'Thief 2 only'. And the same with the loot item 'scattered coins'.
I never found a need for the Bridge Spell. Did I miss something?
vfig on 15/12/2018 at 22:05
Quote Posted by jiansonz
I never found a need for the
Bridge Spell. Did I miss something?
It
creates a magical bridge across the lava in that same room the moment you read it. Did you just not need that bridge, or did you read the spell before you'd even noticed there wasn't a bridge?
jiansonz on 15/12/2018 at 22:37
Quote Posted by vfig
It
creates a magical bridge across the lava in that same room the moment you read it. Did you just not need that bridge, or did you read the spell before you'd even noticed there wasn't a bridge?I didn't need it there.
I found the
scroll and thought: "OK, this may be necessary later". Didn't try it at the time.
I went back up the ladder and did other things until the only possible way forward I could think of was across that lava. Jumped to the big boulder, mantled and climbed it (the ceiling made it a rather tight squeeze but no real problem).
Haplo on 15/12/2018 at 23:51
As usual, thanks everyone.
Cardia: Were you able to solve your problem? The warning offers three solution, and each one of those should be enough. This is not a problem with the mission, it is due to a bug (or rather an oversight) in TFix 1.26 and earlier. Let me know if you need further help.
vfig: Nice logic about the tiles. Yes, it was sheer coincidence.
As for the backtracking, if you look back the crypt is not very big at all. It is pretty compact. Towards the end when all the interconnecting doors are open you can find a shortcut between almost any two points. Hope you didn't get too lost.
As for the freezing guardian, there is a plaque on the wall at its entrance that gives you a heads-up. I wonder if you missed it.
jiansonz (and vfig): Yes looks like you found a way to cross the lava without the bridge. Nice. Neither me nor the testers picked that up.
Some trivia for you about the bridge spell: Originally there was only one void key, and the bridge spell was in the chest down in the deadly gas cylinder. I thought it made the mission too linear so I changed it to what it is now. I kept the spell because the scripting was already done (and long ago too, done back in December 2017!) and it was a shame to throw it away.
Also, I manually scripted the objective complete sequence. As you said it is T2 only.
vfig on 16/12/2018 at 00:40
Quote Posted by Haplo
As for the
freezing guardian, there is a plaque on the wall at its entrance that gives you a heads-up. I wonder if you missed it.Yeah, I saw that shortly afterwards, which made me realise
it wasn't a bug after all. God knows I had many bugs with AI freezing up in my own mission, so seeing an AI stop dead in its tracks I guess made me kinda twitchy :D
jiansonz on 16/12/2018 at 11:56
As for that room with the Guardian, what do you need to do to make the first switch start to sink down alongside the wall? Just wait a bit? I was confused for quite a while. I understood the 'look at Guardian to stay safe' thing, but didn't know how to proceed. I realized one should hit all the switches but the roof doesn't take rope arrows. Suddenly I saw a switch sinking, and it was straightforward from there.
Haplo on 16/12/2018 at 12:08
Quote Posted by jiansonz
As for that room with the
Guardian, what do you need to do to make the first switch start to sink down alongside the wall? Just wait a bit? I was confused for quite a while. I understood the 'look at Guardian to stay safe' thing, but didn't know how to proceed. I realized one should hit all the switches but the roof doesn't take rope arrows. Suddenly I saw a switch sinking, and it was straightforward from there. The moment you enter that room the first switch starts sliding down.
radogoal on 16/12/2018 at 13:56
where can i find the lever for the winecellar?
jiansonz on 16/12/2018 at 14:29
Quote Posted by radogoal
where can i find the
lever for the winecellar? In the chest in the innkeeper's room (his room is in the basement).