Namdrol on 11/1/2010 at 18:25
by the weather fool
aidakeeley on 11/1/2010 at 18:32
Well, see, now I'm laughing.
pavlovscat on 13/1/2010 at 00:41
Enough! Aidakeeley, if you cannot contribute something worthwhile and non-insulting to this forum, then please refrain from posting.
Thor on 13/1/2010 at 21:08
Grow up.
PotatoGuy on 13/1/2010 at 21:18
Of course there are cynics here. There are cynics everywhere, you'll have to live with that. But no one here, NO ONE, has been so rude and disrespectful as you just were. If you want to be a misanthrope, fine, but not here. Get out. Right now.
Digital Nightfall on 13/1/2010 at 22:20
Admin Note: The two above posts are replies to a now deleted post by a now banned user. Enjoy the rest of your night!
Herr_Garrett on 14/1/2010 at 07:03
Well isn't Garrett a cynic, dammit? Anyway.
I've always found that apart from the wholesale slaughter of the city hubs, one can sneak/ghost through ordinary levels even if one is blind and deaf. I did it once.
DJ Riff on 14/1/2010 at 10:04
Quote Posted by Herr_Garrett
I've always found that apart from the wholesale slaughter of the city hubs, one can sneak/ghost through ordinary levels even if one is blind and deaf. I did it once.
Sneak - yes, but not steal. There are a lot of places where missing loot causes AI yellow alert. The only means of preventing this is to block AI's route somehow, but it's also considered a bust.
Hexameron on 14/1/2010 at 21:48
Quote Posted by Platinumoxicity
increase in the sophistication? :laff:
I don't remember, how exactly was the AI in TDS more "sophisticated" than in the originals? :p
The TDS AI will not only notice open doors, extinguished lights, and missing loot, but make an appropriate remark and walk over to inspect the situation. This kind of reaction falls between the T1/T2 1st alert ("Thought I saw something" and 2nd alert ("I'll find you soon enough"). While T2 guards are aware of doused lights and even have remarks when observing minor changes in the environment including left-behind rope arrows ("Hmm, Strange"), they do not leave their patrols or idle position to
investigate. They might go over and relight a gas lamp or close a door, but by default they do not search around as the TDS AI do.
Another difference is the weapon drawing reaction in TDS. Some AI can appear as if they are 2nd alerted by stopping during or deviating from their patrol when yellow alerted, but they do not draw their swords. Other times, the armed AI exhibit the same response but draw their weapons and make hostile comments ("I know someone's there"). Obviously, this distinction doesn't happen in T1/T2.
It's odd that this discussion didn't occur years ago when TDS was released, but the current debate on Eidos is whether to designate the TDS yellow alert (or response to missing loot, open doors, doused torches) as a ghost bust or equivalent to T1/T2 2nd alert.
What do any of you think about the following scenario: if a TDS guard sees a missing gold cup and says "Someone stole it!" and leaves his idle spot to look around briefly, is that the same as a T2 guard hunting around saying "I'll find you, just you wait"?
TDM complicates things. TDM AI have a similar response to missing loot: they comment and wander around in circles as if searching. However, unlike TDS, their remarks are much more provocative. A TDS guard might say "Why is this missing" when he sees absent loot, but a TDM guard typically says "There's a thief in the building!"
Beleg Cúthalion on 15/1/2010 at 08:27
Well, for me as a second-class-ghoster at the most, I'd say that if it's impossible to steal something (which on the other hand must be stolen) without provoking such a bright yellow alert, it shouldn't be considered a bust. For me these slow observations of open doors or missing loot don't seem to indicate that the AI knows that someone is there. And I think the idea of ghosting is to prevent everyone from really knowing Garrett was there. "Spooky" elements for the AI might be just the work of a ghost, too. ;)
