lurker on 4/2/2009 at 13:36

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I must have misunderstood what I thought I read in a post back a while ago.

Okay, so then my problem comes down to the fact that I can't get past the valley floor (i.e. the level at which the mission starts). I have eliminated the four pagans on this level, and I can see two figures patrolling above me, but I have not been able to reach them. It could well be that my climbing/jumping skills just plain suck. So how can I get there from here?

Esme on 6/2/2009 at 14:44

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well that was fun, even if it did turn into a bit of a keyhunt, I never did find the key for the electrical tower so I climbed the generator assembly at the side and jumped over the fence :ebil:

now someone will tell me thats what I was supposed to do, after I spent aaaaaaaaaaaages looking for a key to the gate too :devil:

note to self in T3 missions pick their pocket before sending them byebye :nono:

very nice mission, the end could have been a bit more climactic but it was still damn good fun, the architecture was huge and amazing and ... no loading zones ! :thumb:

bush monsters HAAAAAHAHAHA brilliant :thumb: not called george by any chance :cheeky:

I did tend to get stuck at the top of the ladder up from the big area under the platform as you enter the ruins heading to the helmeted guys and I managed to climb out of the mission in a few places where the walking bushes were but still loved it

Durinda D'Bry on 30/3/2009 at 07:42

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Just started to play this outstanding mission. It is great! Whenever I play ThiefDS FMs I feel permanent discomfort from Garrett movement and other physic things (like stuck in everything in small rooms). Sneaking is very hard (much more it should be) and it is boring. But in Valley I catched up myself on that I'm playing the same way as Thief1/2. At least this very nice! I'm not talking about caves atmosphere... I didn't get very far and hope plot would not dissapoint me.

Flux on 24/6/2009 at 12:12

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Sorry guys, missed the thread being bumped. Thanks for the feedback.

Marmbo, 270 minutes of gameplay? That's a real nice to hear, as well as surprising. I'd like to hear from other players as well about how long it took them to complete the mission. Often when you're designing, you think "hey this level is still too simple, players will finish it shortly and then you kinda force yourself to add more obstacles, which is sometimes not a very good solution.

Durinda D'Bry, people say that all the time that gameplay in my fms resembles thief1 &2, I think it boils down to one simple fact. I close my ears & eyes to every known shortcomings of the engine and focus on pure stealth. The ai properties is there to play with in tds editor and I'm happy you guys find it pleasurable to sneak through the mission.

Nanoc, I take it as a compliment as you say you got lost, because making large, complicated layouts in the editor is kinda harder than old-school engines. Especially when you want to give players z-axis gameplay without the rope arrows. Or by saying you got lost, do you mean the layout should be more accessible? Was it too confusing?

And for the story:

"the notes read in the keeper diary didn't go to your "Notes" section"
Since you carry that book in your inventory and you can read whenever you want, I didn't think that would be necessary to add notes as well.

Those cottages in the woods are the home of male shamans. One of them stole the amulet, which one isn't relevant.

"Stone" was about some pagan guards smoking weed and throwing the rest of the weed into pipes. It was about pagans being "stoned" due to smoking weed and not fully maintaining their duty and they turned this into a regular habit,thus pissing their boss. Since these two with the helmets were guarding an important area, their boss required them to wear helmets for extra security. The whole idea was to play/experiment with ai properties, solve some little puzzle and outwit them without blackjack or killing. You turn the valve, green smoke puffs out and they lose their eye-sight and you can sneak easily.

That being said, some beta testers found different interesting ways to overcome that obstacle.

Garrett's Shadow on 3/8/2009 at 11:12

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if u r having problems seeing objectives, read the "thief FM's have no objectives (blank)" thread, u r suffering from the wrong exe being used , just as i was till Mr.GL himself (potterr = :angel:) told me how to fix it in that thread!
now i can really enjoy the FM's! boy what a diff it makes in knowing what i have done and have yet to get done! ;)