Testers Needed: Alternative Thief 2 Patcher/Installer

Psych0sis on 12/3/2019 at 19:36

Well, I just installed a fresh steam version (which is 1.18) and it allowed me to blow open all of the metal doors I tried. What I do know is that in 1.07 you could blow open the giant vault door on bank, and THAT was what they changed between 1.07 and 1.18 cause obviously that would just undermine everything in that level.

voodoo47 on 12/3/2019 at 19:39

steam version is the 1.07/1.18 hybrid, as mentioned/posted earlier. try to improve your reading comprehension.

acknowledging the first paragraph, agreeing with the second one (with a slight smirk, I have to admit), and (very unsurprisingly) recommending option 3.

also, lets throw some fingerprinting into the candle dark.gam.dml, and kick the now redundant command to load NVScript;

Code:

DML1

//fingerprinting to load for OMs
FINGERPRINT
{
NAME -6862 "SmallCandleFlame"
}

//lets set up the flame effects, we need small and large flames
+ObjProp "SmallCandleFlame" "ParticleGroup"
{
"number of particles" 40
"size of particle" 0.06
}
+ObjProp "SmallCandleFlame" "PGLaunchInfo"
{
"Box Min" -0.02, -0.02, 0
"Box Max" 0.02, 0.02, 0
}
+ObjProp "SmallCandleFlame" "PGLaunchInfo"
{
"Min time" 0.5
"Max time" 0.6
}
+ObjProp "LargeCandleFlame" "ParticleGroup"
{
"number of particles" 40
"size of particle" 0.12
}
+ObjProp "LargeCandleFlame" "PGLaunchInfo"
{
"Min time" 0.6
"Max time" 0.7
}
//adding scripts for hanging candle activation - this will also add extralight as needed so the candles won't look too dark.
+ObjProp -470 "ExtraLight"
{
"Amount (-1..1)" 0.5
}
+ObjProp -470 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" Extinguishable
"Script 1" NVCreateAndLink
"Don't Inherit" false
}
+ObjProp -470 "DesignNote"
{
"" NVCreateAndLinkOn="Sim"; NVCreateAndLinkCount=1; NVCreateAndLinkCreate="LargeCandleFlame"; NVCreateAndLinkLinkType="~ParticleAttachement"; NVCreateAndLinkLinkData1Field="Type"; NVCreateAndLinkLinkData1Value="1"; NVCreateAndLinkLinkData2Field="vhot #"; NVCreateAndLinkLinkData2Value="1";
}
+ObjProp -470 "CfgTweqModels"
{
"Halt" Stop Tweq
"Rate" 0
"Model 0" hlamp
"Model 5" hlamp
}
+ObjProp -53 "ExtraLight"
{
"Amount (-1..1)" 0.5
}
+ObjProp -53 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" Extinguishable
"Script 1" NVCreateAndLink
"Script 2" NVCreateAndLink2
"Script 3" NVCreateAndLink3
"Don't Inherit" false
}
+ObjProp -53 "DesignNote"
{
"" NVCreateAndLinkOn="Sim"; NVCreateAndLinkCount=1; NVCreateAndLinkCreate="SmallCandleFlame"; NVCreateAndLinkLinkType="~ParticleAttachement"; NVCreateAndLinkLinkData1Field="Type"; NVCreateAndLinkLinkData1Value="1"; NVCreateAndLinkLinkData2Field="vhot #"; NVCreateAndLinkLinkData2Value="1"; NVCreateAndLink2On="Sim"; NVCreateAndLink2Count=1; NVCreateAndLink2Create="SmallCandleFlame"; NVCreateAndLink2LinkType="~ParticleAttachement"; NVCreateAndLink2LinkData1Field="Type"; NVCreateAndLink2LinkData1Value="1"; NVCreateAndLink2LinkData2Field="vhot #"; NVCreateAndLink2LinkData2Value="2"; NVCreateAndLink3On="Sim"; NVCreateAndLink3Count=1; NVCreateAndLink3Create="SmallCandleFlame"; NVCreateAndLink3LinkType="~ParticleAttachement"; NVCreateAndLink3LinkData1Field="Type"; NVCreateAndLink3LinkData1Value="1"; NVCreateAndLink3LinkData2Field="vhot #"; NVCreateAndLink3LinkData2Value="3";
}
+ObjProp -53 "CfgTweqModels"
{
"Halt" Stop Tweq
"Rate" 0
"Model 0" chdlr
"Model 5" chdlr
}
//adding scripts on the normal candles - this will also add extralight as needed so the candles won't look too dark. NVRelayTrap4 distributes waterstim upon sim to make all candles frobinert, so we can make those few that are interactive easily frobable via mission dml
+ObjProp -181 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" NVRelayTrap2
"Script 1" NVRemovePropertyTrap
"Script 2" NVRelayTrap4
"Don't Inherit" false
}
+ObjProp -185 "DesignNote"
{
"" NVRelayTrap2On="null"; NVRelayTrap2Off="null"; NVRemovePropertyTrapOn="WaterStimStimulus"; NVRemovePropertyTrapProp="FrobInfo"; NVMetaTrapOn="WaterStimStimulus"; NVMetaTrapMeta="FrobInert"; NVRelayTrap4On="Sim"; NVRelayTrap4TDest="[Me]"; NVRelayTrap4OnDelay=100; NVRelayTrap4TOn="[1.0]WaterStim"; NVRelayTrap4TCount=1;
}
+ObjProp -185 "ExtraLight"
{
"Amount (-1..1)" 0.5
}
+ObjProp -185 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" Extinguishable
"Script 1" NVCreateAndLink
"Script 2" NVRelayTrap3
"Script 3" NVMetaTrap
"Don't Inherit" false
}
+ObjProp -185 "CfgTweqModels"
{
"Halt" Stop Tweq
"Rate" 0
"Model 0" canstic2
"Model 5" canstic2
}
+ObjProp -185 "FrobInfo"
{
"World Action" Script
}
+ObjProp -182 "DesignNote"
{
"" NVRelayTrap2On="null"; NVRelayTrap2Off="null"; NVRemovePropertyTrapOn="WaterStimStimulus"; NVRemovePropertyTrapProp="FrobInfo"; NVMetaTrapOn="WaterStimStimulus"; NVMetaTrapMeta="FrobInert"; NVRelayTrap4On="Sim"; NVRelayTrap4TDest="[Me]"; NVRelayTrap4OnDelay=100; NVRelayTrap4TOn="[1.0]WaterStim"; NVRelayTrap4TCount=1;
}
+ObjProp -182 "ExtraLight"
{
"Amount (-1..1)" 0.5
}
+ObjProp -182 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" Extinguishable
"Script 1" NVCreateAndLink
"Script 2" NVRelayTrap3
"Script 3" NVMetaTrap
"Don't Inherit" false
}
+ObjProp -182 "CfgTweqModels"
{
"Halt" Stop Tweq
"Rate" 0
"Model 0" candle1
"Model 5" candle1
}
+ObjProp -182 "FrobInfo"
{
"World Action" Script
}
//set up receptrons on HangingLamp to make the extralight setup work
+Receptron -470 "FireStim"
{
Min "0"
Max "None"

Target "Me"
Agent "-470"

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" "ExtraLight"
}
}
+Receptron -470 "WaterStim"
{
Min "0"
Max "None"

Target "Me"

Effect "rem_prop"
{
"Prop Name" "ExtraLight"
}
}
+Receptron -470 "KOGas"
{
Min "0"
Max "None"

Target "Me"

Effect "rem_prop"
{
"Prop Name" "ExtraLight"
}
}
//set up receptrons on chandelier to make the extralight setup work
+Receptron -53 "FireStim"
{
Min "0"
Max "None"

Target "Me"
Agent "-53"

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" "ExtraLight"
}
}
+Receptron -53 "WaterStim"
{
Min "0"
Max "None"

Target "Me"

Effect "rem_prop"
{
"Prop Name" "ExtraLight"
}
}
+Receptron -53 "KOGas"
{
Min "0"
Max "None"

Target "Me"

Effect "rem_prop"
{
"Prop Name" "ExtraLight"
}
}
//set up receptrons on Candle1 to make the extralight setup work (fire is on the concretes because we don't want to make all the prop candles interactive)
+Receptron -182 "WaterStim"
{
Min "0"
Max "None"

Target "Me"

Effect "rem_prop"
{
"Prop Name" "ExtraLight"
}
}
+Receptron -182 "KOGas"
{
Min "0"
Max "None"

Target "Me"

Effect "rem_prop"
{
"Prop Name" "ExtraLight"
}
}
//set up receptrons on Candle+Stick2 to make the extralight setup work (fire is on the concretes because we don't want to make all the prop candles interactive)
+Receptron -185 "WaterStim"
{
Min "0"
Max "None"

Target "Me"

Effect "rem_prop"
{
"Prop Name" "ExtraLight"
}
}
+Receptron -185 "KOGas"
{
Min "0"
Max "None"

Target "Me"

Effect "rem_prop"
{
"Prop Name" "ExtraLight"
}
}

Jax64 on 12/3/2019 at 19:41

The Steam distribution is one of these hybrid versions I was speaking of. It has the 1.18 versions of the levels, but the 1.07 version of the gamesys. Updating the gamesys would result in you no longer being able to blow open that metal door near the beginning of the bank mission, which was one of the specific instances that I tested.

I mean no ill will and feel free to keep using it, as it is especially valuable for speedrunning, but it is a result of outdated files and should, therefore, probably not be included in a patch intended to keep everything up-to-date.

EDIT: It looks like I was a couple minutes too late.

voodoo47 on 12/3/2019 at 19:41

100% agreed.

Psych0sis on 12/3/2019 at 19:46

Quote Posted by voodoo47

steam version is the 1.07/1.18 hybrid, as mentioned/posted earlier. try to improve your reading comprehension.

My reading comprehension is just fine, I was just mentioning that I did not know that, and always assumed steam was the latest version pre-newdark shenanigans, while also divulging previous knowledge I had about the huge vault door. Perhaps you should not jump to conclusions thinking you know what you're talking about like always, as there was nowhere there where I was disputing his claims or saying steam wasn't. :)

voodoo47 on 12/3/2019 at 19:53

just going to add that you should be very, very careful before saying something like "I know what the intentions of the original devs was". and yes, I'm pretty sure that I know quite well what I'm talking about when I open my mouth.

Psych0sis on 12/3/2019 at 19:59

well it was their original intention in 1.07 but then they changed it :)

voodoo47 on 12/3/2019 at 20:08

one thing I've forgotten to mention - it's quite trivial to get the interactive candles mod working in pretty much any fm, it's basically just setting the candles up as animlights, and adding two archetypes to the gamesys. so a fm author who would build their mission as T2Fix aware could have free interactive candles that would get loaded only if the user has the mod loaded.

Jax64 on 16/3/2019 at 19:19

All right, the latest T2Fix beta includes several changes to the fixed missions package that I have been working on for the past several days in addition to updating the candles gamesys dml.

Mission Changes:

Code:

-Running Interference: Centered lamp bubbles in the courtyard and fixed an issue where the first-floor hall music continued to play after going to the basement or going outside.
-Shipping ... and Receiving: Fixed a cut-off window texture in Building B, fixed floating swords in the workshop, and fixed the strange behavior of the spiders on Davidson's ship.
-Ambush!: Fixed a floating lamppost
-Eavesdropping: Fixed a disappearing door.
-First City Bank and Trust: Replaced all instances of the texture wgrain01 with its higher-resolution version wgrain02.
-Life of the Party: Fixed an instance where two keys mistakenly possessed the same LockID resulting in some strange behavior.
-Precious Cargo: Fixed strange textures near the entrance to the old house.
-Kidnap: Fixed some weird textures near Cavador's quarters.
-Casing the Joint/Masks: Fixed many floating objects.

In addition to this, the mantling changes have been completely removed, as several users here have given adequate reason for leaving this alone.

I am still considering how to handle the issue of default components, but as of now only the fixed missions, carry body mod, interactive candles, t2skies, and EP are checked by default. Most of these should have a fairly low chance of causing issues in FMs and are generally faithful to the style of the original assets. I would be open to hearing differing opinions, however.

voodoo47 on 16/3/2019 at 21:22

I'd be careful with changing textures (wgrain), this might not play well with hd texture packs. apart from that, no complaints (while I would recommend making certain objects unmantleable to prevent too much player shenanigans, both doing and not doing it shouldn't create too much problems, so this is entirely up to you).