Vivian on 3/7/2013 at 18:48
nah, that's bollocks. No-one except girls can have any possible input on the issue? That's not even a bit true.
june gloom on 3/7/2013 at 18:51
How the fuck is it bollocks to keep decisions about an issue restricted to people who that issue directly effects?!
Vivian on 3/7/2013 at 18:52
decisions, yes. Opinions, input into the debate, etc, no.
june gloom on 3/7/2013 at 18:55
Okay, so how would you feel if the government was considering a ban on teaching evolution because some religious crazies kept trying to claim that evolution and dinosaurs aren't real, despite the protests of the scientific community?
Vivian on 3/7/2013 at 19:04
Hah, you mean how would I feel if I was american? I dunno. These people have picked a side, they have an agenda, and they are trying to sell it to the decision-makers as the right side. I'd argue anyone has a right to make a case for any decision. There's a big difference between being allowed to have an opinion and getting the final say though.
Vasquez on 3/7/2013 at 19:07
Quote Posted by Phatose
Yes, Rape is a special case, and deserves special consideration because of that. Absolutely the truth, I agree totally. I daresay, however, that most abortions are not performed on Rape victims, and the exception for the Rape victim is not an exception for everyone.
Good! So only the women who willingly have sex and end up with unwanted pregnancy (whether it's because contraceptive fails or isn't used at all) deserve to be burdened with a child? Because you're making a baby sound awful lot like a punishment for a sin or something :)
SubJeff on 3/7/2013 at 19:07
You'd have input from the scientific community though. That's the point.
Vivian on 3/7/2013 at 19:09
this has become an argument about terms.
june gloom on 3/7/2013 at 19:12
Just because people who can't give birth are going to have opinions about abortion doesn't mean those opinions matter or should matter. But no, we've got a bunch of stuffy old white men spouting pseudoscience and using it as a pretext to enforce greater controls over women's bodies. Todd Akin's "shut that whole thing down" remark wasn't an isolated incident. That sort of belief is absolutely endemic to anti-choicers, including the politicians. Abortion legislation should be left to women. That will never happen, though, so the real solution is to just legalize abortion, free and clear, no fucking arguments about it. And the biggest reason why? Rape. As long as there is rape (and there will always be rape, because people are horrible) abortion should be legal. It's as simple as that.
faetal on 3/7/2013 at 19:13
Quote Posted by Vivian
Really? That fucking sucks if it's true. I don't think it is though. Consenting to get in a car is not consenting to die in a crash, for instance.
Unless you ignore the stats though, it
is consenting the
x% risk which all motorists have of being killed in a crash.
