Koki on 14/5/2011 at 09:33
Quote Posted by Azaran
But what do I know, I'm just a leftist retard
Yep.
Sg3 on 14/5/2011 at 09:54
Three thousand gun control debates later, I still can't understand how the other side can honestly think what they do.
Azaran on 14/5/2011 at 09:54
Quote Posted by Keeper Beege
To focus on the weapon (in this case firearms) is to miss the point, I think. Violence is ultimately caused by people, so the question that should be asked is why the atmosphere for it exists in the USA in the first place. You can't cure cancer with a bandage.
Yes, but the opportunity for gun violence is facilitated by having access to guns. It will be easier for the next Virginia Tech-style killer to go on a shooting rampage, if he knows he can go into campus with a gun with complete impunity. This law is one less deterrent for people like that.
demagogue on 14/5/2011 at 10:42
I thought they would already have been allowed.
The firing range at UTexas is literally across the street from the main dormitory, Jester, and I used to go there 2-3 times a week to cap a paper target's ass before going to ballroom dancing lessons.
I thought at the time that every well-bred gentleman should be able to dance a Viennese waltz and shoot a small target from 20-30 yards away. I just used the range's guns though. I'd never buy my own, much less carry it around campus. But I thought some people did bring their own guns. I guess it's possible it only allowed range guns, though; that'd be fine with me as that's all I was interested in anyway. It was mostly for practicing competition shooting, and maybe ROTC used it.
Aerothorn on 14/5/2011 at 15:51
So far no one in this thread has brought up Zaffirini's point, which I think is quite interesting. Debates about gun owneship aside, what the hell do the police do when they show up at a school shooting and find a bunch of people wielding guns? How do they know who the shooter is? What if a student shoot the shooter, and the police shoot him (thinking he is the shooter?), etc. Hell, ignore the police - what about other gun-wielding students?
Rug Burn Junky on 14/5/2011 at 16:23
Quote Posted by CCCToad
You forgot the obligatory threadshitting where somebody disses rightwingers as being retarded for supporting gun rights on the basis that if you don't agree with their position, then you are obviously retarded. Of course, no evidence will be provided to back up that assertion.
It's rather sad that you think that that is what usually happens around here. Even sadder that anything touching on conservative holy ideology gets you so passive aggressively defensive that you have to pre-empt the nonexistent attacks that you are afraid of coming.
It's like you have Post-Traumatic Tard Disorder or something.
CCCToad on 14/5/2011 at 16:27
Quote Posted by demagogue
I thought they would already have been allowed.
The firing range at UTexas is literally across the street from the main dormitory, Jester, and I used to go there 2-3 times a week to cap a paper target's ass before going to ballroom dancing lessons.
I thought at the time that every well-bred gentleman should be able to dance a Viennese waltz and shoot a small target from 20-30 yards away. I just used the range's guns though. I'd never buy my own, much less carry it around campus. But I thought some people did bring their own guns. I guess it's possible it only allowed range guns, though; that'd be fine with me as that's all I was interested in anyway. It was mostly for practicing competition shooting, and maybe ROTC used it.
Its possible, we had a range where they'd shoot both competition air rifles, m-16's modified for .22 rounds, and 9 mm pistols.
Oddly enough, Georgia has gone in the same direction. A court there ruled that under Georgia state law a military ID (for those otherwise allowed to own a handgun) not only took the place of a carry permit, but gave you the same rights as a policeman in that you could carry your weapon into state parks, college campuses, and the like. Of course that didn't affect the students much because you could still get suspended or expelled for bringing your weapon onto campus.
Chimpy Chompy on 14/5/2011 at 20:28
Quote Posted by Azaran
Gun ownership is directly related to the level of gun crime
Wait. Shouldn't we compare to the level of *total* crime? I don't see how being murdered with a gun is worse than being murdered with a knife or a frozen chicken?
If gun ownership does lead to higher crime fair enough. Myself, I'm not a fan of free and easy ownership of handguns. But I think the argument should be made properly, ya know?
CCCToad on 14/5/2011 at 20:47
Btw, Obama sucks ass.... *cough*
Chimpy, didn't Michael Moore already answer this question? :p
CCCToad on 14/5/2011 at 20:50
Quote Posted by Aerothorn
So far no one in this thread has brought up Zaffirini's point, which I think is quite interesting. Debates about gun owneship aside, what the hell do the police do when they show up at a school shooting and find a bunch of people wielding guns? How do they know who the shooter is? What if a student shoot the shooter, and the police shoot him (thinking he is the shooter?), etc. Hell, ignore the police - what about other gun-wielding students?
Short answer: they don't. Its why after an incident does happen, you retreat to an interior room and disarm yourself. You don't flash your weapon around, or chase after anybody that you end up shooting in the confrontation. Not only is there the possibility that the guy might have buddies, but if you are chasing the perp you look like the bad guy and will probably get shot.
