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june gloom on 16/11/2012 at 21:32

thank you for your input evabot

Fafhrd on 16/11/2012 at 23:36

God forbid you admit you were wrong and apologize or anything.

CCCToad on 17/11/2012 at 02:37

Quote Posted by jay pettitt

More squabbling over global warming.

Every time we get on this topic, I think that most of us on the forum feel like this:

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Adam Nuhfer on 18/11/2012 at 23:53

Quote Posted by Azaran

The world dodged a bullet today....:sweat:
You chose wisely America....:)

Some are glad the Big O got re elected while others fear his re election will bring doom and gloom.

At work I get to hear all about the doom and gloom his re election is going to bring. That's when I
like to point out that it won't matter as December 21, 2012 is right around the corner. So far the
tactic has worked well. After December 22, 2012 I'll have to come up with a new one.:rolleyes:

heywood on 26/11/2012 at 04:32

Quote Posted by Fafhrd

I'm 100% certain that the article title originally didn't have the 'Citizens from' bit (note the URL of the article, and the still present 'Texas files petition to secede from United States' sub-heading. Oh, and (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8070/8190835972_a735496062_h.jpg) Google's preview still shows the original headline), hence my original response. And if you read the comments there are actually a handful of people calling them out on the inaccuracy prior to the correction (mixed in with a lot of crazy). Good job with the journalistic initiative there, dethtoll.

I couldn't figure out what you were talking about, since here is the version I saw:
(http://www.examiner.com/article/citizens-15-states-file-petitions-to-secede-from-united-states)

That version is dated 11 Nov. But then I Googled the URL in your screenshot and found another version of the article from 10 Nov that is still up on the Examiner web site, with some significant differences in the text and a whole different set of comments too:
(http://www.examiner.com/article/15-states-including-texas-have-filed-a-petition-to-secede-from-the-united-states-1)

So I apologize to Azaran.
I now believe the quote posted here was genuine and from the original version, but the article was subsequently revised without indicating so or changing the date. And then a third version was posted, causing me to make a false accusation of misquoting because I was looking at a different article.

CCCToad on 26/11/2012 at 22:35

Stolen from a Guardian commenter because it perfectly describes the way most of you think:

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As I said in the last thread - oh the irony. That Obama and company seem to believe that they are Good and Moral, and that Romney and whoever is on the opposing team are Evil and Immoral just astonishes me. It's such one-dimensional thinking, and leads potentially to the belief that those on the opposing team are no better than ]the "terrorists" and should be treated as such. How can people not understand where this leads? It's truly frightening.

and:

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It is, for several reasons, extraordinary that so many citizens have been successfully trained to so venerate their Party's leaders that they literally believe no checks or transparency are necessary, even as those leaders wield the most extremist powers: executing people, bombing multiple countries, imprisoning people with no charges, mass monitoring and surveilling of entire communities.

For one, there is ample evidence that virtually every leader of both major parties over the last century systematically abused these powers because they were able to exercise them in the dark. It was this discovery by the Church Committee that led to the reforms of the mid-1970s - reforms grounded in the premise that virtually all leaders, by virtue of human nature, will inevitably abuse these powers, exercise them for ignoble ends, if they operate without serious restraints and oversight. One has to ignore all of this historic evidence in order to place trust in any particular leader to exercise these powers without checks

SubJeff on 26/11/2012 at 22:49

I think you need to and read all about a thing called "strawman".

CCCToad on 26/11/2012 at 22:59

Quote Posted by Subjective Effect

I think you need to and read all about a thing called "strawman".

If you think this is a Strawman then please read the thread's title.

Almost the entire rest of the thread is populated by people screaming about how the other party is so bad and so evil that we simply have no choice except to defeat them.

edit: also not off topic or a strawman Because it adds onto this post by azaran

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Yeah, a few of them are unexpected. What's funny is they complain about supposed 'abuses', but they only have a problem with them if it's a democrat who's in power. When Bush was passing tons of security laws, you didn't hear any of them complaining.