SubJeff on 22/7/2012 at 00:38
Just back from seeing it. Enjoyable in a way that the other recent superhero movies just can't touch, but maybe because it's all just so damned serious. It is still the weakest of the three imho, but that doesn't make it bad at all.
I really liked the end, and all of it including the Gordon-Levitt bit, and maybe that bit the best.
There was so much to like (Scarecrow as judge was fabulous) but I agree with Renz - a little too buzy. Anyone who knows any of Batman mythos with have got the reveal long before it happened, but even up until then it wasn't clear what the point of all this stuff really was. Hello again Matthew Modine and Tom Conti, where have you guys been?
And yes Scots, Catwoman, bi, yes. I lolled (smiled).
Stitch on 22/7/2012 at 16:43
So am I the only one who thought Rises is obviously the best out of the three? Nolan's getting better at this sort of thing with each successive film, and Rises is the first to contain a narrative arc that holds together for its entire running time. The Dark Knight contains the most stunning highlights of the series, true, but it collapses under its own overstuffed weight somewhere around the 2/3 point.
And if Rises lacks a character-for-the-ages like Ledger's Joker, well, so do almost all films.
Scots Taffer on 23/7/2012 at 04:32
Short answer: yes, appears that way.
Long answer for another time but man, the more I've thought about this movie the more I've realised what a god awful mess it is.
Stitch on 23/7/2012 at 13:38
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
Long answer for another time but man, the more I've thought about this movie the more I've realised what a god awful mess it is.
well it is a Nolan Batman film, after all
Morte on 23/7/2012 at 16:56
Quote Posted by Stitch
So am I the only one who thought
Rises is obviously the best out of the three? Nolan's getting better at this sort of thing with each successive film, and
Rises is the first to contain a narrative arc that holds together for its entire running time.
The Dark Knight contains the most stunning highlights of the series, true, but it collapses under its own overstuffed weight somewhere around the 2/3 point.
And if
Rises lacks a character-for-the-ages like Ledger's Joker, well, so do almost all films.
I'd say Nolan is getting better at staging action scenes and making things really propulsive as a director, but Rises has the weakest script of the lot.
henke on 23/7/2012 at 19:32
Saw it tonight. LOVED IT! :D Hathaway was so good as Selina Kyle, maybe even better than Pfeiffer. So manipulative that when she has an honest moment later on it's hard to tell if she's being genuine or if she's just trying to gain something again. And the whole movie is epic in a way that no other Batman story I've seen/read has been. 2 hours and 45 minutes just flew by, despite all the plottwists and intertwining sidestories it all just fit together perfectly. Loved it.
I'd have to watch it a few more times before making my mind up how it compares to the other 2 though.
SubJeff on 24/7/2012 at 19:18
I should have watched part 1 and 2 before going to see TDKR. I've been watching a bit of the TDK and now I realise just how good TDKR is; I underestimated it. TDK is good but the sense of chaos that the Joker brings, which was part of what I liked so much in it, is obviously amplified by Bane a hundred fold.
I wish I could see them all at the cinema now. iMAX preferably, 1 each night.
Also - I think my favourite Bane part in TDKR was "Do you feel in charge?" I shuddered.
N'Al on 25/7/2012 at 05:54
Finally got to see it myself last night.
I'm still in two minds about it, but I think I agree with Stitch. The first 1/3 of TDKR does seem incredibly busy and 'fractured' - i.e. like a collection of individual scenes rather than one cohesive whole -, so first impressions may be somewhat unfavourable, but by the end all those previous scenes fit in nicely into the overall arc of the film. As a result, I agree that TDKR actually feels less bloated than TDK even though they're almost of same length.
And, as SE somewhat alluded to, Bane's actions make the Joker look like a glorified mob enforcer; the Joker causes panic, but Bane actually creates a state of war (acting-wise, Ledger obviously has Hardy beat, but then Hardy's shit out of luck with that mask). Plus, TDKR has Anne Hathaway's ass in lycra. :cool:
Ultimately, though, we're talking tiny, tiny margins here. One thing's for certain; I'll definitely have to re-watch all three movies in sequence when they get released on Blu-ray to fully make up my mind.
Ostriig on 25/7/2012 at 12:44
I think seeing TDKR made me realise even more just what a big deal Ledger's Joker was for TDK. As I remember them, I'd say BB was ok, TDK was balls-out fantastic, and TDKR was quite good. And if Hathaway hadn't bent over that batbike it would've been just good. She makes for a fair Catwoman, no more, but she does pull off a great Anne Hathaway.
I'm gonna have to see all of them again myself, but I'm really curious about going over TDK again, reason being that I seem to recall being more captivated by the characters in it and I can't put my finger on whether that's Joker-tinted glasses or not. With TDKR I really didn't get any of that, I felt that the characters tended to just drive the action to a great extent and that even the more "emotional" encounters, such as
that last confrontation between Alfred and Wayne or
the moment Gordon breaks down after Bane publicizes his speech felt rushed and gratuitous. Bane himself is a gigantic zero. Yes, Hardy puts some effort into the lines and posture, but it's largely pointless ultimately - they might as well have gone the Darth Vader approach and had Hulk Hogan run around in the mask and then process a voice-over by Hathaway. I did in the end get some investment in Wayne and was rooting for a good resolution to the whole situation, but can't help but wonder how much of that was based more on the previous movies more than this one.
I may be coming across as overly critical, I liked it very well despite what I saw as flat characters. I especially liked the fact that, while there where plenty of predictable episodes here and there, Nolan did have me hooked all the way through wondering how it was all going to end.
Quote Posted by N'Al
Plus, TDKR has Anne Hathaway's ass in lycra. :cool:
if you came outta that movie thinking of plot holes, you're doing it wrong :cool:
N'Al on 25/7/2012 at 14:28
I think labelling Bane 'a gigantic zero' is just a tad... disingenuous. He is the one guy who managed to break Batman, after all. The Joker never managed to do that. ;)
