bukary on 29/7/2012 at 19:31
Let me
try being as thoughtful and deep as you, Subjective Effect... Mission impossible, I know. (BTW, sorry for scattered post).
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1. Subjective.
Like there is any objective viewer-response (criticism)...
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2. What is his problem? It's just backstory and characterisation.
Just? Really? Isn't Backstory & Characterisation one of the most important chapters in every Essential Companion for all Screenwriters? :p
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3. He's wrong in the first paragraph so why continue?
So are you...
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4. Yeah, no one judges Gordon. This is crap.
Of course. It's obvious that one can tell if Wayne is Batman by the look on his face.
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5. As Shug says - he's missed info. Watch it again and come back.
No need to argue here. It really didn't matter for me how Selina got there. In my previous post I even wrote that I like the way she was introduced in the movie.
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6. Modine is great. Who hates Modine? Get out.
No, he is not. And definitely not in this movie. Sorry.
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There is NO way she would have/could have found this out for Bane is there. Utter nonsense.
That was also not a big issue for me. But your "there is NO way" is simply a cheap excuse for some plot holes.
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8. Scarecrow was great in this role.
So what?
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9. We didn't need the Joker.
I agree.
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10. 5 months is a speedy rehab?
Are you serious? Are you? Did the prison look like a hospital with some physical rehabilitation centre to you?
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And no one said he had "protruding discs".
Hmmm... I remember prison "doctor" talking about two protruding discs before he "healed" Bruce's back with a punch.
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The knee? We saw he had some advanced leg aug fitted early on.
Did you see this aug in the prison?
The whole Wayne's rehabilitation sequence (if taken literally) is a complete bullshit and can make some sense only on metaphorical or symbolic level. I'm surprised that you are even trying to defend this stupidity.
Of course. Bruce (with absolutely no resources) could easily find his way to Gotham (disconnected from the world) from the other side of the planet (and in JUST one day). Well, Nolan is producing Superman movie after all.
This plot hole could simply be avoided with few additional scenes that make sense (let's wait for Director's Cut).
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12. Get out. Have you ever seen real multiple opponents vs one combat?
I agree. Batman combat scenes were ok. Unfortunately, the pathetic battle between cops and thugs was a HUGE disappointment for me.
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13. On night stands never happen in real life.
I see that you have completely missed the point. It's not about possible "one night stand". It is about bad storytelling, character developement and screenplay structure.
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14. This so misses the point that I can't even
Very thoughtful. Just like the rest of your post.
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16. I respectfully disagree. Also: subjective.
Well, Bane's death (followed by some cheesy comment from Selena) was... meh. Yes, subjectively meh.
Scots Taffer on 29/7/2012 at 23:47
There's nothing less Subjective than Subjective Effect when he likes something (or dislikes something... so maybe just most ironic username ever).
SubJeff on 30/7/2012 at 05:47
i dislike you right now
Renzatic on 30/7/2012 at 08:20
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
There's nothing less Subjective than Subjective Effect when he likes something (or dislikes something... so maybe just most ironic username ever).
Nah. It's pretty fitting. Now if his name were Objective Effect, that'd be an entirely different story.
He would be Objeff.
Ostriig on 30/7/2012 at 21:26
And since we're sharing, here's (
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/6064-The-Dark-Knight-Rises) MovieBob's take on it for those in a hurry but who'd still like to decide on whether or not they like what various film critics out there are saying.
On that note, I particularly take issue with something he's complaining about there, with how
the movie starts with Wayne re-learning how to be Batman, then Bane breaks him and he goes again through re-learning how to be Baman; I didn't really see it that way, I felt that the whole point of the first part is that he puts the suit back on but doesn't really become Batman again, then that's what happens in the second bit. Unless I'm missing something with either the movie or the complaint I thought that was pretty obvious. Quote Posted by Shug
That's quite a niche fantasy :wot:
Quick, use (
http://www.writetrack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/anne-hathaway-catwoman-1.png) this to make it go away.
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Sounds pretty spot-on to me, though I don't think it "nullifies" the character in any way simply because he did what he did
out of love for Talia, rather than a desire to destroy Gotham.Actually, I think that "nullifies" does work -
not in that it removes motivation, but rather that it casts some serious question marks on whether Bane has any agency in the takeover plot at all. Is he really making any serious decisions, or is he just limited to (admittedly funnily) shooting dudes to see where sewage water goes and then checking in with the girl whose name I didn't even remember throughout the length of the movie every half hour?d0om on 1/8/2012 at 19:48
Was anyone else bracing themselves for the huge shockwave a few seconds after the nuke went off? I found it rather disconcerting when there wasn't one. They could have least have had the orphans hide in their bus on the bridge and be protected while the nasty police officer who destroyed the bridge could have been blown into the sea!
I mean, a helicopter can only get so far from a city in a few mins, the fusion bomb had a huge mushroom cloud which was visible, there should have been a shockwave, right?
Otherwise I thoroughly enjoyed the film.
Nicker on 4/8/2012 at 08:53
I enjoyed it in a visceral sort of way but when characters keep falling through the plot holes, the story is lost. I really wanted to like this a lot more than I did but too much narrative, not enough drama. It was Prometheus all over again - stunning visual set-pieces stitched together with just enough script to justify them.
Is imagination trapped in a deathly inverse relationship with budget? $250,000,000 flushed away. Surely they could afford to pay a writer (or three) enough to craft an actual story before they start shooting. Is that too much to ask? A couple of months in spacious apartment. A few gallons of coffee and glass bowl of sundry stimulants. A modest fortune in take-out...
We have the technology.
Sluggs on 4/8/2012 at 09:05
More Crap Rises! :p
froghawk on 4/8/2012 at 20:57
Quote Posted by Nicker
I enjoyed it in a visceral sort of way but when characters keep falling through the plot holes, the story is lost. I really wanted to like this a lot more than I did but too much narrative, not enough drama. It was Prometheus all over again - stunning visual set-pieces stitched together with just enough script to justify them.
Is imagination trapped in a deathly inverse relationship with budget? $250,000,000 flushed away. Surely they could afford to pay a writer (or three) enough to craft an actual story before they start shooting. Is that too much to ask? A couple of months in spacious apartment. A few gallons of coffee and glass bowl of sundry stimulants. A modest fortune in take-out...
We have the technology.
I think Memento, The Prestige, and The Dark Knight demonstrate that the Nolan brothers are better writers than almost everyone else in Hollywood. I don't know what they've been doing lately.
