aidakeeley on 4/1/2010 at 02:50
NH,
I was only having a bit of fun. I've seen you object to 'assumptions' more than a few times lately, usually in response to some pretty harsh stuff as opposed to this latest 'query'.
Just trying to lighten your mood. I'd assumed that you'd appreciate a little levity.
New Horizon on 4/1/2010 at 03:01
Quote Posted by aidakeeley
Just trying to lighten your mood. I'd assumed that you'd appreciate a little levity.
It's ok. :) I got that part of it. lol I still wanted to address the issue though.
Bakerman on 4/1/2010 at 03:26
Quote Posted by New Horizon
Maybe it isn't a huge deal, but it upsets me. Changing that setting means you're not experiencing the gameplay the way the FM author intended.
Aren't we free to ruin the game for ourselves? :p (As long as, of course, we take that into consideration when we speak to others about TDM. It's one thing to tweak the settings and find that the game is broken, and another thing entirely to then bitch to people about how broken it is.) It's just like someone using a trainer - I wouldn't do it and I think it's disrespectful to me as the creator of the game, but if people don't want the game I made then I can't do anything about that.
New Horizon on 4/1/2010 at 04:10
Quote Posted by Bakerman
Aren't we free to ruin the game for ourselves?
Sure, some things are fun to mess around with after you've played the mission as intended...but...if someone is planning to permanently set something like the run speed to a faster level for all future fan missions...well sir, I don't like it. lol
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...but if people don't want the game I made then I can't do anything about that.
Oh, but
we can. :ebil:
ZylonBane on 4/1/2010 at 06:33
Quote Posted by aidakeeley
Just trying to lighten your mood. I'd assumed that you'd appreciate a little levity.
Wait. In your head, this--
Quote Posted by aidakeeley
New Horizon, I'm starting to get the feeling that you don't like people to make assumptions; but I figured I'd best ask you. So, is it true?
--comes across as "levity"? Seriously?
aidakeeley on 4/1/2010 at 09:36
It doesn't "come across" to me at all.
But I don't expect you'll understand why that is...
I also don't expect you'd understand "levity" as you are so piteously bound to the ridiculous and tiresome Jake The Cynic persona you've never crawled out from under.
Seriously (without levity).
Fidcal on 4/1/2010 at 09:52
Everyone is free to do as they please but should be aware of the significance. For example, if you can outrun a front gate guard and run inside the front door and grab the main objective in two minutes instead of two hours. My only concern is that players be aware they are not merely customising but changing the FM as surely as if they load it into the editor and change the speeds of the AI, or move a wall out of the way. The main problem is they may not realize. And others may emulate them in all innocence.
I think perhaps we need beta testers to declare they are using default settings or we cannot rely on their feedback. "I just jumped across to that other roof and climbed in the window" - "huh? It's impossible to make that jump. You're not supposed to find that room until later. No wonder the trigger failed to reveal the secret door and so failed the mission. I wasted six hours yesterday trying to figure out a solution."
Plus we can now ignore all feedback from all players after FMs are released such as "Oh I finished it in 30 minutes and got 2500 loot." It's not worth declaring that any more unless players always add "using the default settings."
So, to emphasise, my concern is not about changing settings but realizing the repercussions and not thinking such changes are legitimate customisation.
All the settings were tested ad nauseum internally over the last few years. There were heated discussions, tweaks, retesting, re-raising the same issue a year later, over and over on every tiny little thing until we found the best settings we could. We all won and lost a few arguments and sometimes in-between. I myself feel the run speed ought to be a little faster - but that's the game and I accept it or I'm not playing a Dark Mod FM, I'm playing something else.
Briareos H on 4/1/2010 at 10:08
Quote Posted by aidakeeley
It doesn't "come across" to me at all.
But I don't expect you'll understand why that is...
I also don't expect you'd understand "levity" as you are so piteously bound to the ridiculous and tiresome Jake The Cynic persona you've never crawled out from under.
Seriously (without levity).
ZB is right however. "I'm starting to get the feeling you [...] So, is it true?" reads like a heavy-handed and passive-aggressive way to mean that you disagree with NH's behavior of late and that you want him to acknowledge it.
Not only such a direct, personal question has nothing to do on the forums if your only point is to know if "it is true", but it comes across as tactless and prone to flaming. Your "witty" reply to ZB doesn't help.
In closing, just get out.
Quote Posted by mazzortock
+1 too, here
Same here, for the reasons given by Fidcal.
Bakerman on 4/1/2010 at 12:20
So I'm playing a little Doom 3 while I wait for TDM to download... I have to say, it's a bugger that the money I paid goes to iD instead of you guys :p.
New Horizon on 4/1/2010 at 15:06
Quote Posted by Bakerman
So I'm playing a little Doom 3 while I wait for TDM to download... I have to say, it's a bugger that the money I paid goes to iD instead of you guys :p.
Why? Personally I'm more than happy for id software to get paid. I've heard this from different people before. Id software have been supporters of the modding community for years, releasing source code for free after their engines are no longer used commercially. Does Eidos do this for us? No. Have we asked and begged them to? Yes. Support good companies like id software, they deserve it.
