jtr7 on 12/10/2009 at 08:39

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There are places in the OMs where player action can ramp up the alertness of an AI or two in another area without the player knowing it's occurred until eventually reaching it, finding AIs off their patrols or aware of the player from the slightest noise.




And the arguing has nothing to do with The Dark Mod or ThiefGen. It's about clashing philosophies regarding people and society--including those who seek irrational excuses to pounce on their "nemesis." :sly:

TheCapedPillager on 12/10/2009 at 11:40

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Sorry mate, I didn't mean to single you out as if you were calling for that level of 'dumbed down' exploration feedback, and I don't mean to imply that this is what the Dark Mod will be doing, I was just thinking out loud regarding games in general.

The basic point (which I didn't clearly illustrate) is that games which tell you that there's nothing left to explore remove the mystery that there could be more to the game world than you actually get to experience (which again I concede could work for some games). Just to be clear, I don't have any concerns about the stats display for the Dark Mod, which is looking pretty sweet I have to say :).

Dussander on 12/10/2009 at 13:14

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As a ghoster - I think a breakdown of low/medium/serious alerts would be helpful. Are these statistics only available on mission end or can they be accessed at any point during the mission? The latter would be preferable.

Fidcal on 12/10/2009 at 14:36

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Not during but only after you complete the FM.

piln on 12/10/2009 at 20:08

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There's some jen-yoo-wine lunacy going on over the last couple of pages, I'm so glad you're all just words on the internet and not real people otherwsie I'd be fucking scared.



That ^ and demagogue's refreshingly sane suggestions, please. Number of alerts of whatever different states there are, with zero being "perfect" and no upper limit. Simple is best. If you want stats for moved items and such, better to keep them separate than jumble several things into some hidden formula, let players assess/ignore what they want. I'm not a compulsive ghoster but I try it every now and then; furthermore, I like to set goals for myself to suit the mission and my mood (eg, allowing KOs, perhaps a limited number, but no alerts). Even if you never play that way, you only need to read a single ghost report to see why a large number of players will really, really welcome these stats. That IMO is reason enough to include them.

Now I'm going to contradict myself and complicate things slightly: you might want to offer some way of separating out alerts of human AI and other AI (beasts, undead, etc). Even when I'm playing quite strictly, I tend not to give a shit if a spider sees me (he's hardly gonna give my description to the cops, is he?). On the stats page, is it possible to make a row of stats change by clicking on it? Then you could cycle through sets of alert stats by clicking on that line: Total, human, beast, undead, machine, etc.