Thirith on 6/9/2012 at 07:16
I have to say, while I enjoy my second playthrough of the MGS series (wondering whether I'll also replay MGS4 while I'm at it, probably making judicious use of the fast-forward option) I somehow don't consider it a stealth game the way I consider Thief or Splinter Cell stealth. In MGS, the stealth gameplay feels more gamey and like a puzzle to me. I know it's a vague, overused term, but I'm not finding these games particularly immersive; fun, yes, but I rarely have these moments as e.g. in Thief where I just sit in the shadows and observe the guards, planning my next move.
Sulphur on 6/9/2012 at 09:02
True, there's a definite action movie flavour to MGS as a whole (Tactical Espionage Action, after all!), down to the mechanics and the constant communication with your allies. They're not ever quiet games suited for pure ghosting (though you can ghost a whole bunch of 'em), and the mechanics further the action movie dynamic: distraction, CQC, bait, etc. Immersivity and atmospherics take a back seat to entertainment derived from working your way towards an objective with the current set of tools at your disposal.
SubJeff on 6/9/2012 at 09:19
Quote Posted by Thirith
They're both in the recent HD collection. I think I played
MG1 for five minutes before deciding that without industrial-strength nostalgia it wasn't gonna happen.
I can't find this collection anywhere. The only HD collection I can find is the MGS 1, 2 & 3 collection.
Thirith on 6/9/2012 at 09:23
That's exactly it. MG1 and MG2 are included as part of MGS3 and accessible from that game's menu.
SubJeff on 6/9/2012 at 09:40
I think there are some crossed wires here.
I have Metal Gear Solid 1 already through PSN. That's what I said I was going to play.
dethtoll mentioned the prequels - Metal Gear 1 and 2. No Solid. (And if he didn't mean that then wtf was he talking about since MGS came out in 1998 and only MG1&2 preceded it).
Anyway, how are the MGS2 and 3 HD remakes? The MGS1 I have is not a HD remake.
Thirith on 6/9/2012 at 09:52
There are definitely some crossed wires here - I'm still confused, even more so after your post.
You said you're unlikely to get hold of or play the first to Metal Gear (no Solid) games, so I mentioned that they're included in the HD collection, in case you or anyone else was interested in them after all. I didn't know whether your "unlikely to get hold of or play" was primarily about you having no way of getting hold of them or whether you weren't interested to begin with.
Anyway: I'd say the MGS2 and MGS3 HD ports are on the same level as the God of War HD versions. None of the bad port crap of the Silent Hill HD collection, for instance, or the shoddy sound of the Prince of Persia Trilogy. The games run smoothly and look good, thanks to the visual design and flair.
SubJeff on 6/9/2012 at 10:02
Ah, I misread you. MG1 and 2 in the MGS HD collection? So 5 games in all? Ok, I'm over that then.
Thirith on 6/9/2012 at 13:26
As far as HD collections go, the MGS one is definitely good value for money. Well crafted ports, the assets look good in HD, and regardless of what Kojima can be criticised for, the games are jam-packed with ideas and a love for details that's amazing.
poroshin on 6/9/2012 at 15:57
Quote Posted by henke
Cool. :D At first I thought it was the same footage we saw after E3 but this was indeed a different, longer, playthrough. The gameplay doesn't really seem more complex than Splinter Cell: Conviction, for instance, but it's all the little touches that makes it look awesome. Like how the game seems to detect the player chasing after the last enemy and has the PC muttering "Where are you?", and all the character animation is great as well. And I love how uncompromisingly bleak it is. Makes me wish I had a PS3.
And it does look like the game may not be necessarily ghostable, but done very stealthily for sure.
june gloom on 6/9/2012 at 19:43
I wouldn't say the ports are "well crafted" -- they have some serious issues. But the games are perfectly functional.
