Tony_Tarantula on 24/10/2019 at 14:47
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https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/texas-jury-rules-against-divorced-dad-trying-to-stop-7-year-old-sons-gender-transition/)
I know some of you all won't like the source, but the left-leaning outlets have zero coverage. Google News search shows no results from NBC/ABC and the like.
A few facts on this one before the quote:
* The mother decided the boy is a girl because he likes Frozen
* The mother isn't the biological mother
* The mother has a history of engaging in extremely abusive behavior such as locking the boy in the closet and refusing to let him out until he says that he is a girl.
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The court has ordered that this boy is to be made to undergo chemical castration at the age of 7 for his transitionQuote:
The battle landed in the courts when Georgulas filed suit to restrict her ex-husband’s contact with the kids, require that he refer to James as “Luna” — and keep the boy away from those who refused to do the same.
Younger responded by petitioning the court for sole custody of the boys, with expert witnesses testifying that James’ identity is still very much in flux.
“There is still some fluidity in his thinking,” said Dr. Benjamin Albritton, according to the Examiner. “Neither child appears to be depressed, anxious or aggressive . . . [James] gave no indications of other significant psychological difficulties.”
Witnesses on Younger’s behalf included friends who testified that James always goes by “James” and opts for boys’ clothing whenever he’s in the care of his father — even when girls’ clothing is available, according to The Texan.
The testimony was in support of Younger’s contention that any desires James may have to be a girl are not his own, but a product of his mother’s influence.
The jury on Monday ultimately sided with Georgulas, paving the way for her to pursue a possible transition for James.
This is what it's come to, and everyone claiming this was a "slipper slope" a few years ago didn't understand the fundamental nature of the movement.
Phatose on 24/10/2019 at 15:51
Citation please supporting this claim. The article you linked does not support this claim - what the jury actually decided was that it was not going to grant the father sole conservatorship.
Far as I can tell, the mother was pushing for a social transition, not chemical castration.
Whole affair is basically clusterfuck. Seriously bad blood between the parents - reading that she went after him for pre-marital fraud. Apparently, he forgot to mention that he was married twice before, not once. And that he was in the Army, at some point - which might not have been a big deal, except that he was apparently discharged from the army for admitting to being a homosexual.
Renzatic on 24/10/2019 at 15:56
I've read bits and pieces of this. Not enough to know in exacting detail what's going on and why, but enough to know that the court didn't demand that he get chemically castrated, but that he can go on hormone blockers 4-5 years from now, while he's in the midst of puberty if he so chooses.
That doesn't make for as dramatic a headline though.
Starker on 25/10/2019 at 02:31
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
* The mother isn't the biological mother
The fuck is that even relevant here? She gave birth to the twins and she has been their parent in any other sense. What does it matter that they aren't genetically related?
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
This is what it's come to, and everyone claiming this was a "slipper slope" a few years ago didn't understand the fundamental nature of the movement.
Uh-uh. Tell us more about the "fundamental nature of the movement" based on hasty conclusions and "facts" presented by dodgy right wing and christian news sites.
Starker on 25/10/2019 at 03:09
Quote Posted by Phatose
Whole affair is basically clusterfuck. Seriously bad blood between the parents - reading that she went after him for pre-marital fraud. Apparently, he forgot to mention that he was married twice before, not once. And that he was in the Army, at some point - which might not have been a big deal, except that he was apparently discharged from the army for admitting to being a homosexual.
Yeah, based on the few sources I read and a court judgement I skimmed through, it appears the father misrepresented himself in various ways, lying about his education (said he has a PhD), income (supposedly 150k), and various other things. On the other hand, she seems to have on her side the child's teachers, therapist, and basically anyone else who has contact with the child. And it seems there has never been any plan to have the child take hormone blockers and this is a claim made solely by the father, who seems to be a pathological liar. Basically, looks like most of it is just plain old right-wing asshattery of blowing things out of all proportion for ideological reasons:
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https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2019/10/24/dallas-child-custody-battle-hinges-on-7-year-olds-gender-identity-draws-attention-of-abbott-cruz/)
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Gov. Greg Abbott, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, U.S. Rep. Dan Crenshaw, and other politicians have latched on to reports in conservative media highlighting the father's contention that the mother intended to force the child to undergo hormone therapy and puberty blockers to change the child's biological gender.
In her ruling Thursday, Judge Kim Cooks noted there was never an order for the child to undergo such treatment.
Additionally, records show that [the child's mother] Georgulas asked the court to require mutual written consent, which would ensure she and Younger agree on a course of action before the child undergoes any such treatment. Her request also noted the child “is not yet at the age where treatment with hormonal expressions, puberty blockers, and/or transgendered reassignment surgery is medically considered.”
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The judge ruled Thursday there was never any abuse of the children but ordered that the family undergo therapy with their children because of trauma they may have faced due to the publicity surrounding the case.
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Renzatic on 25/10/2019 at 04:14
That's nowhere near scandalous enough, Starker. Tony's embellishments make this story so much more entertaining. It really gives you something to get mad about, you know?
Starker on 25/10/2019 at 05:23
I just find it funny that the one legit example of "leftists stifling free speech and debate" in this thread that hasn't turned out to be either bogus or misrepresenting the situation or even the complete opposite of what happened comes from Pyrian, namely China applying pressure to censor its critics.
Starker on 25/10/2019 at 07:03
Looked some more into the story and I have to say, I did not expect how messed up this actually is and what a massive injustice is being perpetuated here by the right-wing ideological outrage machine. Here's a video of someone going through the court documents and witness testimony and exposing the real story behind the situation:
[video=youtube;jvjHn6QEgh4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvjHn6QEgh4[/video]
Nameless Voice on 26/10/2019 at 23:01
Quote Posted by Starker
I just find it funny that the one legit example of "leftists stifling free speech and debate" in this thread that hasn't turned out to be either bogus or misrepresenting the situation or even the complete opposite of what happened comes from Pyrian, namely China applying pressure to censor its critics.
Since when are the Chinese government "leftists"?
I mean, sure, they call themselves "communist", but they're an authoritarian dictatorship, that's not my idea of "left".
Renzatic on 26/10/2019 at 23:28
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
Since when are the Chinese government "leftists"?
I mean, sure, they call themselves "communist", but they're an authoritarian dictatorship, that's not my idea of "left".
You can have an authoritarian left. What do you think Stalinist Communism was?
Though I wouldn't call China so extreme left these days. With their recent expansion into corporatism, private ownership, and stoking the growth of a middle class, they've been moving away from the extreme end of the spectrum towards the center. As weird as it is to say, their current economic model actually looks more like what the Fascists envisioned: self made giants of industry working hand in hand with an all powerful single party state for the glory of their great nation.