Yakoob on 10/7/2012 at 00:50
On a nutrtition side of things I've been suspecting my diet lacks in protein and fats, and doing some math seems to confirm that. My jaw dropped when I calculated what my breakfast should look like, based on a 40:30:30 carb/protein/fat breakdown:
* 3 slices of bread
* one egg
* Teaspoon of butter (for egg)
* 56g of ham
* Slice if Cheese
* 1.5 cups of of veggies
* Half a cup of cottage cheese
Jesus that's... a lot of food O_O. And that's based on a 4-meals-a-day plan too. I could easily stack up carbs or fats (just throw in a muffin and extra butter), but meeting my protein needs is a biiiitch. Ignoring protein in other ingredients, I'd need to eat like the equivalent 2 chicken breasts OR 2cans of tuna OR that whole (
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/Koobazaur/deli_turkey_box.jpg) box of deli ham/turkey EACH meal to meet that, four times a day! Sure there's other sources of protein, but those usually come with fat or carbs (nuts, cheese, salami, milk) too so they tap out that requirement before I even meet my protein needs. Dont even wanna think how much this would impact my food budget :p
Now I understand why bodybuilders turn to protein shakes and supplements. Hnnngghhh....
Muzman on 10/7/2012 at 07:45
Big bag of wheat gluten and a spoon and you're set.
DDL on 10/7/2012 at 07:58
Also, eating fucktons of processed meat will probably leave you with a bloodstream that's 5% preservatives... :P
Also, note that you can reduce total amount of food and the ratio will stay the same, so for instance
* 1.5 slices of bread
* half an egg
* 1/2 tsp of butter (for egg) <--who the fuck puts butter in eggs? :eww:
* 28g of ham
* smaller slice of Cheese
* three quarters of a cup of of veggies
* quarter of a cup of cottage cheese
is exactly the same ratio, but half as much food.
It is also, of course, exactly the same level of insane anal retentiveness, which I think is the bigger problem here. Maintaining a strict 40:30:30 balance is a lot of effort anyway, let alone trying to balance that for every meal (rather than, say, more carbs for breakfast, more protein for dinner, or something).
Plus getting 30% protein is more likely to mean "eat less fucking sugar" rather than just "gorge on ham": you can approach the ratio by boosting one or lowering the others, and the latter approach is probably healthier if you're already eating fucktons (which you seem to be?)
Plus you probably don't need to stick to it that closely.
Plus there doesn't appear to be any substantial scientific evidence that this is even worth doing (possibly effect on insulin resistance, if you suffer from insulin resistance, which is unlikely?), so I wouldn't bother, to be honest. It's only a stone's throw from calorie counting, and you don't really want to go down that route.
Edit: rereading this ^ it sounds harsher than I intended. Um..take home message, don't bother with 40:30:30, it's almost certainly not worth it.
Beleg Cúthalion on 10/7/2012 at 08:34
Quote Posted by faetal
Food which is slower to digest tends to release energy slowly, so you have more stable blood sugar levels and lower, less intense insulin secretion. Insulin basically tells your body to use as much nutrient as possible and then switches to storage mode, converting glucose to glycogen and fat and also inhibits to conversion of fat and glycogen back into glucose. This is where the sugar crash comes from - east simple nutrients, feel hungry again shortly after.
Those large beans from the Gladiator food supposedly help with that as well. This guy from the blog just thought it funny that he read about it in a body builder magazine (or something like that) where they offered a beans-based powder shortly after. Eating powder is of course superior to eating just the ordinary food itself.
LarryG on 10/7/2012 at 09:20
Here is a recipe attributed to Pliny the Elder as fed to gladiators:
300 g barley semolina
45 g linseeds
20 g coriander seed
10 g salt
0.8 l water
0.1 l olive oil
Grind the linseeds and the coriander in a mortar, mix with the other ingredients and cook in a pot under constant stirring until it becomes a thick, soft porridge. If required add more water. Season, take from the stove and sprinkle with olive oil.
I suppose you could cheat and and use pre-ground spice and seed or use an electric coffee grinder to make the paste. I suspect the original really called for farro and that barley was substituted by the translator, or maybe not. But you could try farro instead, or, if adventurous, you could try quinoa. Substituting vegetable broth, chicken broth, beef broth, or the like would add some much needed flavor. Some chopped celery and onions fried until translucent would be a nice addition too. Maybe carrots or bell peppers to complete the standard trinity. I guess I'm saying there are lots of directions you can take this. But no beans in the recipe. Sorry.
Beleg Cúthalion on 10/7/2012 at 11:48
The beans are in a recipe by Galen(os) according to what I've read. Are you sure Pliny used salt and not this sauce made of rotten fish parts (garum or liquamen)? Anyway, both could work. I wouldn't use processed herbs, though, although not everyone has a garden or could get them fresh from somewhere else. Barley can be eaten after having been cooked with water for half an hour, of course you have to chew it, but it isn't rock solid. Soaking it a couple of hours beforehand makes it even softer if desired.
Just having finished my lunch puls, thank god the office has large windows to let out the garlic smell. :sly:
Sombras on 10/7/2012 at 13:13
I'm dry-humping Stitch in response to his recent posts in this thread. That's gotta burn a couple hundred calories right there.
Yakoob on 10/7/2012 at 17:40
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Also, eating fucktons of processed meat will probably leave you with a bloodstream that's 5% preservatives... :P
You don't even know how hard I've been looking for a proper European/polish deli with delicious polish hams and sausages, but no luck :( my recent visit to my homecountry has re-sparked my love for deliscious sandwiches for breakfast/supper. Alas, the US choice of meats/cheeses/breads is rather lacking.
That being said, way to make way too many assumptions about my diet and lifestyle that don't reflect reality. I did not make that meal so I don't over eat; I made that plan so I dont under eat. My current diet has had percievable negative effects, so I had to figure out what needs to be changed.
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* 1/2 tsp of butter (for egg) <--who the fuck puts butter in eggs? :eww:
Oh so you make your omlettes and eggs with no oil? Blimey, you must really enjoy scraping burnt egg of your pans!
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note that you can reduce total amount of food and the ratio will stay the same
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http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138970) Which is exactly what I have been doing, leading to a rather imbalanced and unsustainable diet. Yeash.
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It is also, of course, exactly the same level of insane anal retentiveness,
Yes. But as I said, my diet has been fucking me up, and it's thanks to this anal-retentiveness I figure out it is protein and fats I am lacking. The meal plan is just an example of a visual guide to what a balanced meal for my needs looks like, I don't intend to be weighing every slice of tomato I put on my sandwich, just get a rough idea.
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Plus getting 30% protein is more likely to mean "eat less fucking sugar" rather than just "gorge on ham":
Which, if I did, would further keep depriving my body of already missing nutrients. Don't assume you know my current diet:
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if you're already eating fucktons(which you seem to be?)
Yes I eat fucton of vegetables. Trivia: how much calories/carbs does a pound of cauliflower have?
~110 calories/24g, the same as a decent slice of bread. So yea, I eat fuction of healthy vegetables getting really full, but barely gaining any calories or protein/fats. I am volumetrically full, but nutritionally starving.
(and no, before you make more assumptions I don't eat a whole pound of cauliflower in one sitting, I'm just illustrating a point that eating too many veggies can actually be unhealthy).
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Plus there doesn't appear to be any substantial scientific evidence that this is even worth doing (possibly effect on insulin resistance, if you suffer from insulin resistance, which is unlikely?), so I wouldn't bother, to be honest. It's only a stone's throw from calorie counting, and you don't really want to go down that route.
I did spend 3 years on/off dieting and lost some 1/3 of my entire body weight, I'm very much sick and done with calorie counting. But after such a long time, it no longer is just a means to an end - conscious food-management becomes a lifestyle. It takes effort to get out of it, and re-adjusting to normal, worry-free eating habits. Clearly I have not done a good job of that, so bit of anal-retentiveness is needed to re-establish what "normal" is and get used to it again.
And before you start throwing more false assumptions about me, no I wasn't fad dieting, just eating less and moving more, pretty much all my nutrients come from healthy sources, no I dont eat a huge slice of pie a la mode after every meal, and yes I do drink my water. It's mainly not calorie dense enough foods and lacking fat/protein that has been messing me up.
I also dropped to the more reasonable 50:20:30 braekdown since 30% protein was just proving insane and the smaller amount should still all well and good for my needs. And, again, I have been OCD about it only to a point where I get a baseline idea of what a properly sized and balanced meal looks like, until I just get used to it and don't need to think about it.
EDIT: Just saw your edit and sorry if my reply was harsh too, but I have talked about food in a few places and am really fed up with everyone constantly making assumptions about my diet and throwing "YOU EAT TOO MUCH OH GOD WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAD HALF A COOKIE YOU FAT FUCK" which is exactly this mentality that has messed up my current diet. And after losing 70 pounds I really dont need to put up with internet armchair dietiants telling me I am eating "too much" based on the fact I dare to have a slices of bread with my egg.
DDL on 10/7/2012 at 19:05
I think you could probably forgive us all for being kinda confused, since you seem to have lost weight through diet and exercise, not gained weight through eating a ton of small meals, not gained weight through eating huge meals (albeit with concommitant sleepiness)...your huge meals are apparently sometimes pure vegetable-fests, which leaves you stuffed with basically water and apparently dying, but sometimes giant fry ups, which leaves you sleepy but otherwise fine, unless you also gorge on sugar. You also make one-egg omlettes (!?), and are apparently somewhat worried about getting horrendously malnourished through lack of protein/fat/vitamins/whatever.
I'm just thinking...dude, food is not that difficult. What you had going for you before was FINE, so what if you have to eat every three hours? Just..eat every three hours. Be thankful you have a metabolism that can take that (it'll slow down as you age, though).
Generally speaking the body is pretty amazing at letting you know what it needs: feel the need for fruit? Eat fruit. For cheese? Eat cheese.
Plus what with de novo synthesis (yay metabolism), it's incredibly hard to get properly malnourished. Get your essential aminos and some multivitamins and then relax.
It just seems like you're not putting weight on no matter what you do, so worrying about diet should be the least of your problems. I suspect if you do start piling on the pounds you'll notice, at which point just reduce the intake slightly, or up the activity level.
So stop worrying, and spend your free time in the sunshine chasing pretty ladies. :D
Yakoob on 10/7/2012 at 20:43
I already said I am not concerned about my weight and had other issues; weight alone is not an indicator of health. But do go ignoring what I say and filling those gaps with your assumptions. In any case lets drop it, this thread is already turning into too much of an [e/n] bs.
And no, you can fry an egg on a pan without turning it into an omlette. Magic, I know
