SubJeff on 26/6/2012 at 23:59
I don't get the point of these things. Why not just do stuff yourself? You don't need someone telling you.
When I'm not working 50 miles from home this is my regime.
Bike/run for 20-30 mins. Push or pull day on the weights - push is squats, bench press, standing overhead press, pull is deadlifts, bent over rows, pull ups. 3x10 reps or 5x5 depending on the present aim. Then either the climbing wall or tall punch bag for 10-20 mins.
Do this 2-3 times/week (alternate the pull and push days) and one or two days of Krav Maga. It all depends what the Krav schedule is that weekl; if there is a bar-room brawl/carpark ruckus/focus on groundwork/special knife session etc I'll go to that as well as the regular session and then drop one of the gym days.
Haven't trained for 6 months now because of work :( and it's going to be hell getting back into it.
The Alchemist on 27/6/2012 at 01:20
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
I don't get the point of these things. Why not just do stuff yourself? You don't need someone telling you.
When I'm not working 50 miles from home this is my regime.
Bike/run for 20-30 mins. Push or pull day on the weights - push is squats, bench press, standing overhead press, pull is deadlifts, bent over rows, pull ups. 3x10 reps or 5x5 depending on the present aim. Then either the climbing wall or tall punch bag for 10-20 mins.
Do this 2-3 times/week (alternate the pull and push days) and one or two days of Krav Maga. It all depends what the Krav schedule is that weekl; if there is a bar-room brawl/carpark ruckus/focus on groundwork/special knife session etc I'll go to that as well as the regular session and then drop one of the gym days.
Haven't trained for 6 months now because of work :( and it's going to be hell getting back into it.
Because people are more likely to complete this if they have someone guiding them. Also watching other people do things you cannot makes you want to be able to do it like they do. And looking at the healthy people on the video makes you want it more. And because a lot of people wouldnt know exactly what are the best exercises, or because people feel frustrated when they do an exercise for x or y days and dont see results, so they question if they are doing it right? Or because people generally just like structure to begin with? I mean seriously, do you have a hard on for yourself? There are a billion reason why these tapes work. Go fuck yourself. God, I hate all of you. Why do I come here :((((((((( This must be what marriage feels like after 30-40 years. You fucking hate the other person everything they do and say annoys you but you see them every day and god you dont know why.
Renault on 27/6/2012 at 02:53
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
I don't get the point of these things. Why not just do stuff yourself? You don't need someone telling you.
Yeah, to expand a bit on what Alchemist said, these "things" are designed by fitness experts, and organized into a regimented programs. To claim you could just "do it yourself" is pretty arrogant and also potentially not that safe. The lessons show you not only what exercises to do, but the proper way to do them and at varying levels of effort to match each individual's fitness state. To just walk into a room with dumbells, a book on yoga, and a pull up bar and just wing it, well, let's just say it's not quite as effective. :p
But SE, you're kind of an arrogant know-it-all, so maybe your method is best for...someone like you.
Btw, Here's a vid of 52 year old Tony Horton (the P90X guy) beating a 20 something year old military dude in a pushup contest.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEEyS0ftC98)
Scots Taffer on 27/6/2012 at 04:10
I think getting into a "which fitness plan/diet/combination works best" is an utterly reductive and futile process. I think the manner in which everybody processes food and builds muscle and burns fat is entirely independent and whilst there are some universal truths, like cardio will burn calories, the extent to which each type works for you and the degree of success it yields is so wildly varying that it could almost be considered random.
SubJeff on 27/6/2012 at 05:37
Imma let you all finish frothing because I don't have time right now, but I'm not saying P90X is bad. I'm sure it works. If you thought I meant you don't need guidance you're wrong. I didn't just make my own program up!
SubJeff on 27/6/2012 at 13:57
Aaaand I'm back in the room.
I'm just saying that rather than spending money on some DVDs just read about it, work out a program and do it.
FWIW I find it very hard to get motivated to go to the gym unless I've been doing it for some time. This 6 month break will be very hard to get over and I'm really unfit at the moment and have put on about 15kg. I use podcasts to distract me from the boring stuff like biking and running and music to help me when I'm using weights. If I didn't have these I'd flake out pretty quick because I get bored. At least Krav is engaging.
And those P90X vids are such bull. If you do
any decent exercise for 3 months you'll notice a difference.
Quote Posted by The Alchemist
Go fuck yourself. God, I hate all of you. Why do I come here :((((((((( This must be what marriage feels like after 30-40 years. You fucking hate the other person everything they do and say annoys you but you see them every day and god you dont know why.
Well.
faetal on 27/6/2012 at 14:04
Different things work for different people. Personally, I prefer to work out with a friend, firstly, because you can't really do things like bench press properly without a spotter, but also because the encouragement helps you push yourself that little bit more and also some of the social wish to impress / compete with drives you to get that extra bit out too.
I don't have a friend to work out with these days because I tend to go to the gym at 7 am, which doesn't suit many people (as evidenced by the nearly empty gym - the main reason I go so early), but I use a neat little app on my phone called JeFit, which tracks my progress. Being a stats / RPG nerd, the pedantic desire to beat my last session's 1RM values has almost made up for the effect of having a friend there, and I usually manage to get someone nearby to spot me for bench work too.
But I can't see this working for everyone, so a bit of a ymmv mentality would be best before calling any technique bullshit.
Scots Taffer on 27/6/2012 at 14:06
I lol'd.
Vivian on 27/6/2012 at 14:06
yeah, Alchemist, who or what's got sand in your vagina? Bloody hell. That's two global fuck-yous in two posts.
Is someone having a gwumpy day?
Sulphur on 27/6/2012 at 18:42
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Sulphur - 6 days a week is probably too much. You'll end up injured. I did this last year for about 2 months in the run-up to a self-defence training trip. The last 3 weeks running up to the trip I had to calm it down because I had aches in places I didn't know I had.
Yeah, I've been there myself. What I've found is when you let go you
really tend to let go; so kicking myself to do 6 days a week may at least end up in 4-5, which would be perfect.
faetal: Heh, if only there hadn't been anyone to see me that one time last year I overdid the whole glute/hamstring/quad routine and nearly fell on my face trying to climb the steps back home.
Quote Posted by Vivian
Yeah - exactly. Exercise for exercise's sake is never going to be as compelling as having some hobby that involves exercise. Getting fit because ??? PROFIT is never going to motivate you as much as getting fit enough to do a double crescent kick or whatever.
I don't honestly think anyone does it for exercise's sake. There's reasons aplenty - working out to get your stress levels down, working out to look better, working out to get healthier - people who're genetically predisposed towards diabetes would do well to exercise in general -, working out to look like a tough mofo, working out because it makes you feel better (catharsis), yadda yadda. That's motivation enough for just about everybody.
Of course, this is all probably lost on you -- the last time a photo of you was posted on here, you looked like an even thinner Richard Ashcroft, so if you did attempt heavier forms of exercise you'd probably wisp away in an angry puff of smoke, leaving only the faint strains of tired-sounding violins in your wake.
