imperialreign on 18/3/2007 at 17:17
Quote Posted by Digital Nightfall
[SPOILER]If I ever chose to break away from a particular group, finding them objectionable, why would I introduce myself to a child pickpocket as being a member of that group? I'm quite sure that Garrett only said that because the developers thought it would make the Thief 1 fans happy. They may as well have broken the fourth wall, made Garrett turn to the camera and say, "Hey Thief 1 fans, you loved this game, right? See, I put in a reference to your beloved game that only you would get! Ha! That makes everything cool with us, right?".[/SPOILER]
(That's what fan service is, by the way. Something inserted that serves no purpose other than an attempt to excite or amuse the fans.)
I mentioned that I thought it was done for the fans anyhow, and there are quite a few references throughout TDS that only players of the first two games would've understood i.e. [SPOILER]Karras' prayers on the viktrolas in the museum[/SPOILER]
nicked on 18/3/2007 at 19:51
yeah, but that's not fan-service, that's just continuity. I guess it's a grey area, but that cutscene did seem very cliched and kinda tacky. It was out of character.
imperialreign on 18/3/2007 at 20:02
yeah . . . at least the final CS was artistic, instead of that fugly, sephia toned 3D modeling used for some scenes.
nicked on 18/3/2007 at 21:05
ugh, yeah, what was with that? It almost wouldn't have been as bad if all the cutscenes had been "ingame". But it was such a horrible contrast when you have lovely prerendered cutscenes one minute, and nasty ingame ones the next. Did they run out of time halfway through making proper cutscenes or what?
Avego on 18/3/2007 at 23:00
I feel the story ends well, and ties up loose ends fine. I interpreted that the three prophecies will hail the coming of the one true Keeper, a'la Garret.
This suggests that the Keepers as they were are no longer needed to keep the balance in the city through the use of Glyphs but the emergence of Garret as the 'One True Keeper' also suggests the end of the prophecy signifies the end of the Keepers as we know them but that instead of disbanding they enter a Golden age with Garret assuming his rightful place at last.
I have an idea of what I'm saying, just can't explain it...buggar!
Digital Nightfall on 18/3/2007 at 23:57
Quote Posted by nicked
ugh, yeah, what was with that? It almost wouldn't have been as bad if all the cutscenes had been "ingame". But it was such a horrible contrast when you have lovely prerendered cutscenes one minute, and nasty ingame ones the next. Did they run out of time halfway through making proper cutscenes or what?
They originally intended those to be seamlessly integrated into the game, maybe a bit like in Deus Ex (but no dialog options). But they could never get them to work correctly 100% of the time, so they just recorded them as AVI files.
Problem was that the art dept then re-designed some of the meshes... oops.
Chewbubba on 20/3/2007 at 02:35
Quote Posted by Avego
I feel the story ends well, and ties up loose ends fine. I interpreted that the three prophecies will hail the coming of the one true Keeper, a'la Garret.
This suggests that the Keepers as they were are no longer needed to keep the balance in the city through the use of Glyphs but the emergence of Garret as the 'One True Keeper' also suggests the end of the prophecy signifies the end of the Keepers as we know them but that instead of disbanding they enter a Golden age with Garret assuming his rightful place at last.
That's kinda along the lines of what I was thinking except without the other Keepers. The Eye mentions something about how if Garrett uses the final glyph, that he will destroy the Keepers. I also kinda felt that he had accepted the fact that he is the One True Keeper (with a nifty key-shaped tatoo to boot). I'd still like to see some more debate/opinions on this topic because so far I'm not seeing much of a consensus among your replies. Specifically, I'm trying to figure out a logical answer to "What happened to the rest of the Keepers?"
On a semi-related note, we saw in the cutscenes that [SPOILER]Garrett returned the Jacknall's Paw and the Chalice. Any speculation on what Garrett did with the Crown, the Ruby Heart, and
especially with the Eye?[/SPOILER]
Ziemanskye on 20/3/2007 at 08:01
There are other threads somewhere around here which dwell on the topic more, as far as I remember.
I dimly recall the consensus was that the Keepers would keep being real people. Horribly generic answer, but some of them would try to find new ways to be like the old Keepers, some would take Garrett as a leader (even if he doesn't want them: damn groupies!), and some would wash their hands of the affair and pretend it had nothing to do with them: you know, go out and get a real job in the City.
I don't think you can give just one answer to it, unless it's fiery death (which a few might meet, given the shock/awe of the revealed compound).
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As for what to do with the Crown, give it back to either the Kurshock or the Museum, the Heart back to its glass box I'd assume. The Eye... Well, that was in the Museum too I think, and I doubt he'd really want it even if it was now inert (rather than talking to him). I don't think the Loot value of any of them would be too high, and likely most fences wouldn't take something that high-profile (though they did take the rest of the stuff from the Museum, so maybe...), so he could just give them back and let the city pretend it was just some weird dream-like series of events for a week. Something in the water perhaps, yeah, that'd be it.
nicked on 20/3/2007 at 08:53
That could make a cool fan mission - Garrett decides he's bloody well gonna get revenge on this goddamn Eye so takes it to the one place it can be destroyed (while being constantly taunted by it! :laff: )
Dia on 20/3/2007 at 13:00
Lord of the Eye? :weird:
:laff:
