The future of the Keepers

Ziemanskye on 24/3/2007 at 10:39

They could just have easily been civilians: it was how afraid of them she was that implies they might have been rather miffed Keepers (and/or the ghosts of those she'd killed)

Peanuckle on 10/4/2007 at 16:15

I think that the keepers would have disbanded and gone off to find jobs elsewhere, like historians. They would be suited for that. Field keepers like Artemus could become thieves like Garrett or even assassins for the Baron. There would be no job shortage for Keepers.

Meisterdieb on 10/4/2007 at 17:08

I believe that the Keepers will continue with the Secret Order; maybe they will lose some members but such a organization is too "self-continuating" to just stop existing. They probably will change a little /a lot, since for one thing, they are now in their prophesied dark ages, so they are pretty clueless (as are we) what is about to happen.

Plus, what about all their skills. I didn't gte the impression that all of them had to do with magic. Or could they only walk around unseen because of the glyphs?

Wether they continue alone or with Garrett as their leader, they will do so trying to maintain a balance - however they perceive it.

As to Garrett and the girl. I agree that it doesn't seem to fit into the cynical Garrett we have seen all through the series; but then again it does bring the story full circle and it makes for excellent character development when Garrett who always wanted to stay alone and eschewed company (too complicated) finally realises he cannot escape it...

imperialreign on 10/4/2007 at 23:01

call it crazy, but I had a "story" pop in my head where after the fallout, the Keepers go about trying to re-structure themselves and redefine their place in the city; while the Hammers, on the otherhand, quite surprised by this new faction that has just cropped up out of nowhere, end up pursuing the Keepers much how they do the pagans, but calling them 'blasphemous' 'false prophets' and 'heathens' because of the prophecies that the keepers followed, and because . . . they're just not Hammers. Which leads into a full-out power struggle between the Keepers and the Hammers (who are now both on fairly even terms), meanwhile the Pagan's progress into the city is for the most part going unchecked. Turns out much further down the road, that the "final glyph" that Garrett activated was a temporary failsafe for the glyphs, kinda like how an electrical circuit can have a thermal circuit breaker that closes the circuit after so much time has passed, and with the Keeper glyphs re-activating, there begins a power struggle amoungst the Keepers as to who will take control of their 'organization' and meanwhile the Hammers are up to their fanatical tactics in devising a way to cleasnse the keepers of their sins. . .

about as far as that idea went, just musings, really

Dia on 11/4/2007 at 01:28

Ooooohhh!!! I LIKE it imperialreign!!! It would work making the Keepers another active faction like the Mechanists or Hammerites since before this they pretty much kept a very low profile. Yes! Your idea definitely has merit imho! :thumb:

jtr7 on 11/4/2007 at 01:44

If it goes beyond just musings, do you think you might explain how the Keepers placed the Talisman(s) in the Hammers' care before the events in TDP/Gold, or will you just focus on what we know from TDS only?:)

imperialreign on 11/4/2007 at 06:36

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thanks. The idea itself kind of came about as part of a background story to a FM I've been slowly working on, and honestly I really like how that plot itself could work out - it could make for a great 4th installment to the series, as we all know G would get invariably sucked into a plot like that. With some revisions, editing, and really expanding on that basic idea, it could really re-open the Thief world as compared to how that final scene in TDS really tightly wrapped it all up.

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just a quick, un-fleshed idea . . . I'd have to say that the Keeper's didn't so much 'place' the talismans in the Hammer's care (considering, I don't really think either the Hammers, or the Pagans for that matter, knew anything about the Keepers until after the final events of TDS - I don't remember seeing any evidence in any of the 3 games to state otherwise), as they would've arranged for the Hammers to "happen upon" them - maybe carefully left somewhere that would cause the Hammers to believe they were religous relics, like the Cragscleft quarry, or maybe the catacombs of their now haunted cathedral - but, the Keepers knowing full well that the Hammers don't throw away anything they see as valuable, and knowing that the Hammers would neither lose, nor allow such objects to go unprotected. It would've been fail-proof. The Hammers would never know what to do with the talismans, and would guard them as if they were a gift from the Builder himself, it would even prevent the Keepers themselves from being able to open the Lost City, as they wouldn't have the means to re-obtain these talismans; and who else would ever manage to get hold of them for the wrong reasons? . . . . at least, that was a sure thing . . . until Garrett happened along.

Solabusca on 12/4/2007 at 04:33

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I'd say that a portion of the population would be able to survive to that point - I mean, the Keepers basically had this whole 'Observation and (mostly) non-interference' thing going, so it would be hard for a lot of them to make the cognitive leap that Garret did - and he's regarded as an abberation within the community.

I'd figure that most of the Keepers would fade into their day-to-day lives, anonymous and quiet; some would be hunted by other factions, as imperialreign suggests (I disagree with the 'temporary fail-safe' concept for the Final Glyph, though). Given their overall connection to the Glyphs, I'd say the assassins all die horrible deaths when the power withdraws from them, but the remaining keepers survive. Barely. And then only the most pragmatic ones, the ones that can turn their will to blackmail and thievery, will prosper; they'll be few and far between.

As to Garret - he's it. The One True Keeper. Everything he's done has been a balancing act; and he's slowly come to understand his place in the world. The recursion included in the endgame of TDS is really just the conclusion to The Hero's Journey.

Anywho, while I disagree almost completely with imperialreign's 'post-TDS' storyline (the remaining Keepers would not be a Power within the City at all, as a faction, as far as I'm concerned), I completely agree with his 'How the Keepers Gave Stuff to People' ideas.

.j.

Palantir on 12/4/2007 at 12:52

Keepers=sit and do nothing?
Of course not!
They have done much that we hadn't seen, banishing of the trickster, taking care of the artifacts(especially The Eye), revealing the prophecy and above all ensure the balance.

Yes, a keeper without glyph is less powerful, but they still have many skills besides the Glyph power. So... if they are willing, they can still follow Garrett to form a new way of keeping the balance.

Anyway... Garrett aren't going to be a leader with nobody to lead.....

Dia on 12/4/2007 at 13:16

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Anyway... Garrett aren't going to be a leader with nobody to lead.....

Garrett being Garrett wouldn't want to be the leader of anything. He's a lone wolf with no respect and/or use for organizations of any kind. Once again, he'd have to be coerced into helping whatever new and restructured order the Keepers may form. Just mho.