UNWANTED GUEST on 12/4/2007 at 17:15
Quote Posted by Dia
Garrett being Garrett wouldn't want to be the leader of anything. He's a lone wolf with no respect and/or use for organizations of any kind. Once again, he'd have to be coerced into helping whatever new and restructured order the Keepers may form. Just mho.
My thoughts exactly, Garrett, is Garrett is Garrett. In his mind he is #1..and #2 ...and #3... and #4 and...etc. The only concern he ever had for his life was to live VERY comfortably, and that is what he would continue to do. The only thing he would be leader of is a bunch of thieves who would steal for him. But knowing him after giving them their cut, he'd steal it later from them! He'd rather do it himself anyway.
As for the girl in the end of the scene, I was hoping he was just going to shove/yank her out of his way or something. The last scene was pathetic and made me gag. SO out of character for him, so cliche. He could give a rats' butt about anyone else - as usual.
and in part, that is why we like him
R Soul on 12/4/2007 at 17:38
That man in the final cutscene didn't even look like Garrett, so I think he was just another keeper who was pretending!
Solabusca on 13/4/2007 at 16:38
Quote Posted by Palantir
Keepers=sit and do nothing?
Of course not!
They have done much that we hadn't seen, banishing of the trickster, taking care of the artifacts(especially The Eye), revealing the prophecy and above all ensure the balance.
I never said that the did NOTHING. They, from the shadows, did their best to ensure a balance. Part and parcel of their ethos was that they took NO OVERT ACTION. All covert, baby. Behind the scenes.
Also, they frown on theft - that's the problem they had with Garret. And they believed, honestly believed they were doing it for the "greater good" - not for profit.
The most powerful of them RELIED on Glyphs to do their work. They did have exceptional stealth training, too, but used that to observe, not to steal. And a large number of them were scribes, not field agents.
Given the profile of the average Keeper, I don't think they'd do so well after the loss of Glyph Magics. So, no more powers + covert manipulation ethos + strong 'ethical' code about theft = a serious problem for those Keepers that rely too heavily on powers and/or are unable to incorporate more moral flexibility into their mindset.
They've been the secret faction behind the scenes. I'm sure highly-placed people in other factions are going to do the math and realize that this 'sudden appearance' may have had a guiding hand in past events - and all of the other big players have a strong sense of self-determination. I don't think they'd like that.
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imperialreign on 13/4/2007 at 21:55
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Given the profile of the average Keeper, I don't think they'd do so well after the loss of Glyph Magics. So, no more powers + covert manipulation ethos + strong 'ethical' code about theft = a serious problem for those Keepers that rely too heavily on powers and/or are unable to incorporate more moral flexibility into their mindset.
I agree here, which is partly why I would figure that 'the final glyph' was just a temporary failsafe. I'd really think that the Hammers would actively persecute the Keepers, and without their glyphs, the Keepers aren't a match for Hammer fanatacism. Considering that everything within the 3 games has surrounded the idea of balance between the 3 major factions, there would have to be some middle ground. Perhaps the Keepers don't ever regain the ability to cloak their compounds and libraries, but I'd like to think that they would recieve some of their glyph powers back.
Dia on 13/4/2007 at 22:07
Quote Posted by R Soul
That man in the final cutscene didn't even look like Garrett, so I think he was just another keeper who was pretending!
You're in denial, dear. But that's okay; whatever works for you. ;) :cheeky:
I do agree that it (cutscene thing) did seem just a tad out of character for G., but then, some people do develop 'soft spots' when they get older. You never know.
Palantir on 14/4/2007 at 09:04
Final Glyph, no, don't think 'tis a failsafe, no, At least, it disabled the way the keeper activates the Glyph, hmmn... Maybe them glyphs can be activated in other means...
But wait, they haven't metioned how Glyphs are activated by keepers
Quote Posted by Dia
a tad out of character for G.
Maybe there's something to do with that key-shaped scar...
Peanuckle on 26/4/2007 at 22:58
As far as the game goes, the Final Glyph physically destroyed all the glyphs. It doesn't necessarily mention that the power of the glyphs are gone for good, so it might be possible to bring them back, or maybe just start writing all over again. The "Unwritten Times" would be referring to the amount of time it took for the keepers to remember all the crap they had written down in that massive library. Remember all those books in the T2 cutscene about the servant masks? All those books, wiped blank. I would be one pissed off keeper.
imperialreign on 26/4/2007 at 23:02
Well, you'd think the Keepers would've realised long ago that they need to make backup copies; lord knows I'd be pissed if I happened to break my WINxP CD not having a back-up and had to pay for it all over again (or TDP, TMA for that matter :cheeky: )
jtr7 on 27/4/2007 at 21:41
You would think SOMEone would know to copy the characters down in non-magical books, like a bare tracing of the lines and shapes, WITHOUT the magic. But the Keepers are presented to us as a group without sufficient foresight, or having enough healthy paranoia to create contingencies. We don't know how the Keepers were hundreds of years ago to know if they had thought of it.
R Soul on 27/4/2007 at 22:34
It's probably the shapes themselves that are magical, not what they're drawn on or with.
