The Gong Show: Won't Ring

LarryG on 31/8/2014 at 03:25

I've placed a Gong in my mission, but it won't make any noise as set up (using the gong script from gen.osm). If I use NVSimpleSchemaPlayerTrap with NVSchema="gong_ring" it plays just fine. It seems like the gong script is broken. I'm using lots of other gen.osm scripts with no issues, so I'm sure that gen.osm is properly loaded. I guess I can eliminate the gong script and emulate all of it with 3 or 4 of NV's scripts. But I shouldn't have to. It should work. Has anyone seen this before?

Quote:

<dl><dt id="gong">Gong</dt><dd>gen.osm 1/G/2 When the gong is rung, plays the <code>Event Activate</code> schema tag. A <code>gong_ring</code> signal is sent to the AI that have an <code>Owns</code> link to this object. The gong will ring in response to <code>FrobWorldEnd</code>, <code>PhysCollision</code> (with submodel 1 or 4, and not with an <code>Avatar</code> or a <code>Creature</code>), or <code>TurnOn</code>.
</dd></dl>

Yandros on 31/8/2014 at 03:31

I've never used the script before, but you shouldn't have to do anything other than rig it to a sound trap linked to the original schema. It's set up as an alarm and will make AI react accordingly (go on alert). I've used the gong schema before in several missions to force AI to go on alert in the area, although I replaced the sound in the schema with nothing so it didn't actually play a sound, but it still works regardless. The guardians in the mask room in Mask of Agamemnon and all the AI teleported in for the battle in Drymian Codex are kept on high alert by continuously ringing a silent gong.

LarryG on 31/8/2014 at 04:01

Quote Posted by Yandros

... rig it to a sound trap linked to the original schema.

?? The gong script is supposed to play the <code>Event Activate</code> schema tag. Why would a sound trap be needed? The <code>Event Activate</code> schema tag is on the gong and the schema is set up that way. That should be all the script needs.

Quote:

//Bang the Gong
schema gong_ring
archetype DEVICE_ALARM
gong01
env_tag (Event Activate) (AlarmType Gong)

R Soul on 31/8/2014 at 12:20

I just placed a gong in a mission, with no custom gamesys, and it worked fine when frobbed. Perhaps you made some change to your schemas that broke things. E.g. Gong is an AlarmType in evnsound.spc, but a while ago you might have hit a tag limit, then replaced Gong thinking you wouldn't need it.

LarryG on 31/8/2014 at 12:50

The quote above is from my schemas, so theoretically at least the gong's tag is still there ... but it must not be working. I just tried adding a gong to the Template, and it works there. So I think you may be right, and something is wrong with my schemas. But when I look in my Archetypes>Sound>Schema>Devices>Device_Alarm, I see gong_ring. And when I look at the gong_ring schema in my mission and compare it to what it looks like in the Template mission, other than the schema's id number, they are identical.

I just did a reload to see if there are any issues reported to monolog, and there are, but my number of tags isn't one of them:

Code:

WARNING: Sample ke1_rret_ra1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ke1_yret_ra1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ke1_rret_se1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ke1_rret_se2, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ke1_rret1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ke1_rret2, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ke1_rret3, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ke1_rret_los2, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample k2_rret2, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample k2_rret3, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample k2_yret_ra1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ks2_rret_se1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ks2_rret_se2, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ks2_rret1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ks2_rret2, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ks2_rret3, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample k1_rret1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample k1_rret2, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample k1_rret3, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample k1_ycon_se1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample k1_ycon_se2, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_M01
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_M16
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_M01
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_M04
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_M04
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_m05
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_m05
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_m05
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_M05
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_m06
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_M06
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_M10
WARNING: Unknown archetype T1G_M04
WARNING: Sample ks1_rret_se1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ks1_rret_se2, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ks1_rret1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ks1_rret2, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ks1_rret3, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ke2_rret_se1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ke2_rret_se2, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ke2_rret1, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ke2_rret2, too many samples for schema
WARNING: Sample ke2_rret3, too many samples for schema
WARNING: More than eight enums for a schema tag: Keeper.
WARNING: More than eight enums for a schema tag: Keeper.
WARNING: More than eight enums for a schema tag: ZombiePart.
WARNING: More than eight enums for a schema tag: Servant.
WARNING: More than eight enums for a schema tag: Guard.
WARNING: More than eight enums for a schema tag: Vegetation.
INFO: total schema tag count 47 , concept count: 126
INFO: total schema tag value (/ tag state) count 244 (of max 255)

I'll see if I can figure out what monolog is yammering about and fix all the warnings, and maybe that'll help fix the gong. Worse comes to worse, I use NV's sccripts. That works.

Yandros on 31/8/2014 at 14:34

Quote Posted by LarryG

My point was, if you can't get it working with the script, all you really have to do is play that schema through a sound trap and it will have the same effect on the AI.

LarryG on 31/8/2014 at 18:05

Ah.

re. "... too many samples for schema": So it turns out that you can't have more than 20 sounds associated with a single schema. Seems an odd number to restrict it to, but there you are.

Found it! The tag declaration AlarmType had Gong commented out. As R Soul speculated & I forgot about, I did that a while back to get some more tags to use. My eyes just skipped over seeing the // before Gong. Damn we need to allow more than 255!

gamophyte on 1/9/2014 at 06:23

Quote Posted by LarryG

Damn we need to allow more than 255!

Sorry still learning here, is this amount of custom sounds?

LarryG on 1/9/2014 at 11:29

No. It is the limit on custom tags. You can have sounds without tags. Broadly speaking, and simplifying things, tags are for event driven activations of devices.