SubJeff on 22/2/2018 at 20:37
I think it best to research for another 20 years. That will raise all the dead.
jkcerda on 22/2/2018 at 23:33
Quote Posted by catbarf
Yeah, uh, I don't think he was mocking a lack of technical knowledge as you seem to have interpreted, rather the terms of 'assault weapon' legislation.
Basically, assault weapon laws in the US define 'assault weapons' as semi-automatic weapons able to accept detachable magazines and having a certain number (depending on which state, 0-2) of banned characteristics, derisively called 'scary features' as they have no real functional impact on the weapon but are associated with popular imagery of military weapons. These features include protruding pistol grips, barrel shrouds (enclosures which surround the barrel, to prevent the shooter from burning themselves), threaded muzzles (to accept accessories), bayonet lugs, folding or collapsing stocks, or grenade launchers (because... something, I guess).
In practice what this means is that there is a laundry list of characteristics with have negligible impact on the performance of a weapon, but distinguish whether it's an ordinary rifle or an assault weapon.
For example:
Inline Image:
https://thejacknews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/semi-automatic-weapon-not-machine-gun.jpgThese are Ruger Mini-14s with various configurations from the factory. Under the assault weapon laws currently in states like Connecticut and New York, the bottom-left and all three in the right column are assault weapons. The top three in the left column are not.
These rifles are all functionally identical to the AR-15. Same caliber, same mechanism, same magazine capacities, same everything. In states that have enacted assault weapons laws or more specific efforts to ban AR-15s as a response to the negative publicity surrounding them, many shooters have purchased Mini-14s and other rifles which provide the same functional capability, but in a completely legal non-assault-weapon package. Others choose to purchase 'New York legal' AR-15s:
Inline Image:
http://www.reno4x4.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=49180&d=1392151478Gone are the threaded muzzle, pistol grip, and collapsing stock. Same rifle. Same operation. Different accessories.
The Department of Justice did a study on the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban when it expired in 2004. They (
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf) concluded that the ban itself had little effect on crime, as the specific terms were easily circumvented, and the majority of firearms did not fit the 'assault weapon' category to begin with. In the years since that ban, firearms design has shifted towards modularity, making it easier to create compliant configurations, and a whole market has sprung up around toeing the line.
So, in short: They banned features which were aesthetically associated with military weapons (ie 'black and scary') but which had little to no effect on lethality or suitability for a mass shooting and were easily bypassed. And now that it's even easier to bypass, this is the kind of legislation that they want to bring back, for... some reason. A lot of people think it's like you said, that an assault weapon is something functionally different and more lethal than an ordinary rifle, but in practice this isn't the case.
I prefer the NEW thordsen Gen 3 stock, went featureless and now I don't have to mess with a stupid bullet button :D
yes it still SUCKS and it's nothing but feel good legislation but hey, CA is full of feel good retards.
henke on 23/2/2018 at 06:21
Turns out there
was (
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43164634) an armed police officer at last week's shooting. He arrived at the building where the shooter was 90 seconds after the first shot was fired, but did not intervene.
Meanwhile, Trump wants to arm more teachers to help prevent school shootings, because he thinks that life is a fucking movie.
henke on 23/2/2018 at 08:33
Reading more about the proposal to arm teachers, I'm starting to think it might be effective after all. Not at preventing shootings, but at shifting blame. As some teachers start arming themselves and some don't, what will happen the next time there is a shooting where teachers were unarmed or failed to stand up to the shooter? More and more blame will be shifted away from failing mental health systems and availability of firearms, and instead be laid at the feet of the teachers who are not prepared to kill to defend their students.
heywood on 23/2/2018 at 11:57
I really can't believe some people are treating this like a serious idea. It's barking. Teachers need to spend all their time and attention preparing to educate our kids, not preparing for a shootout with a crazy person on a suicide mission. We don't pay them enough to take this on. And imagine the sort of people you're going to attract into the teaching profession, probably a bunch of mall-cop dorks with power fantasies.
Dia on 23/2/2018 at 14:08
Quote Posted by henke
Turns out there
was (
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43164634) an armed police officer at last week's shooting. He arrived at the building where the shooter was 90 seconds after the first shot was fired, but did not intervene.
Yep, and that deputy has resigned after a video showed him cowering for FOUR OF THE SIX MINUTES IT TOOK CRUZ TO SHOOT & KILL 17 KIDS AND ADULTS. And that deputy was a
trained officer! So much for Trump's idea that armed guards at every school will prevent mass shootings. (Same thing happened in the Las Vegas shooting; law enforcement hesitated.)
(
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/broward-sheriff-deputy-resigns-after-video-shows-he-avoided-school-shooting/ar-BBJtRKr?li=BBoPWjQ)
As far as arming our teachers is concerned, bad idea. Trump wants to put a stop to 'shooter-in-school drills' because he's concerned 'It might scare the kids'. So seeing their teachers packing guns isn't going to give the little ones cause for alarm? Omg. I read a post on FB wherein a teacher related how one of her fellow teachers set herself on fire trying to get some video equipment to work and the teacher used that as an example of how there are too many teachers who should
not be trying to handle firearms. A gun owner who wrote an article written for Education Week made some very valid points:
'How much training do swat teams, police officers, or security guards undergo before they are ready to handle these dangerous encounters? How exactly can we ready educators in a shortened time frame? People who become public defenders know what they're getting themselves into. Educators didn't (and don't) sign up for that line of work.'This approach would require us to be placing guns in schools now—guns that could easily be used inappropriately. Don't for a minute think that a secured gun, stored in a school, would be inaccessible. For a gun to be available for defense, it needs to be accessible. That means it would be accessible to more than just the principal or teacher. This will become an even greater concern should more states pass gun laws that allow people with valid pistol permits to also carry them in schools.(
https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2014/10/29/10moore.h34.html)
PigLick on 23/2/2018 at 15:21
[video=youtube;ZTidn2dBYbY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTidn2dBYbY[/video]
Nicker on 23/2/2018 at 17:26
Quote Posted by SubJeff
I think it best to research for another 20 years. That will raise all the dead.
Thanks for reiterating but it has already been made clear, ITT, that Americans need to pray more.
Let's not arm teachers. Let's certify cops to teach!
Meanwhile Wayne LaPierre, the Executive Vice President of the NRA, declares that they will be purchasing industrial quantities of tinfoil for their members...
[video=youtube;9wwd1bezGe8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wwd1bezGe8[/video]
Because guns specifically designed to kill people, don't kill people. And people who don't want some people to kill other people, want to kill freedom!!!
Give me a Hurrrrr Durrrr, brother and sisters!
Pyrian on 23/2/2018 at 17:56
Quote Posted by heywood
I really can't believe some people are treating this like a serious idea. It's barking.
Is it any crazier than electing Trump as president? Lol. With him behind it and the NRA salivating at an excuse for moar sales with wide swaths of Congress on a short leash, I think it's got a better chance of becoming policy than anything else being pushed around.