jkcerda on 23/2/2018 at 19:28
Quote Posted by henke
Turns out there
was (
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43164634) an armed police officer at last week's shooting. He arrived at the building where the shooter was 90 seconds after the first shot was fired, but did not intervene.
Meanwhile, Trump wants to arm more teachers to help prevent school shootings, because he thinks that life is a fucking movie.
goes to show YOU are responsible for YOUR safety, plenty of STUDENTS carry in Texas ON college campuses.
that said, seriously PISSED the guy quit and is now an average citizen AND he is getting the protection HE failed to provide the students on OUR dime
(
http://businessinsider.com/parkland-shooting-officer-resigns-deputies-sent-to-protect-his-family-2018-2?utm_source=facebook&utm_content=top-bar&utm_term=desktop)
Quote:
Armed police are guarding the home of the deputy who resigned over his lack of action in the Parkland school shooting
NOW , I DON'T wish HIM OR his FAMILY ANY harm, BUT he should NOT have armed POLICE ON OUR DIME at his home at OUR expense.
nickie on 23/2/2018 at 19:57
I have it on very good authority that there are gazillions of ex-marines who are now teaching who'd be able to do the shooting without a problem. I'm disgusted that 'arming teachers' is even a thought. I picture gleeful rubbing of hands at the prospect of thousands more sales.
I watched a bit of the CNN town hall (?) meeting. I was impressed by Rubio's demeanour and rather disgusted by Loesch's but, given her position, thought she didn't do too badly although I didn't really think she had any genuine empathy. I was also very impressed by the survivors and their demeanour, how they are conducting themselves and how they are challenging whoever tries to talk them down.
Despite my appreciation for the issues involved, it's still beyond belief to me that anyone would ever think that the 'right' to buy an AR-15 or similar is worth what happened in this latest shooting or any other similar shooting. Didn't Scalia write an opinion about some kind of limit to what the arms in 'right to bear arms' means?
I do find it encouraging that some companies are severing ties with the NRA. Think I might change the habit of a lifetime and get me some Symantec.
And no doubt I'm entirely alone in feeling sorry for the poor sod who didn't do his job. It's all very well knowing what you're supposed to do and how to do it, in theory, but I believe the actuality is so different that it's too hard to know what we'd do in a similar postion. Edit. And you know, if he shot the wrong person, he'd get sued.
Al_B on 23/2/2018 at 20:11
Quote Posted by henke
Reading more about the proposal to arm teachers, I'm starting to think it might be effective after all. Not at preventing shootings, but at shifting blame. As some teachers start arming themselves and some don't, what will happen the next time there is a shooting where teachers were unarmed or failed to stand up to the shooter?
Or what happens when a student obtains a firearm from a teacher, or (god forbid) an armed teacher themselves starts shooting? Even though I'm not against responsible use of guns this doesn't seem even remotely sensible.
Quote Posted by Dia
Yep, and that deputy has resigned after a video showed him cowering for FOUR OF THE SIX MINUTES IT TOOK CRUZ TO SHOOT & KILL 17 KIDS AND ADULTS. And that deputy was a
trained officer!
I don't blame him for that. Being armed and trained doesn't mean you're ready to confront that type of situation where your life is in danger - I wouldn't be surprised if the most "gung ho" hero of the shooting range doesn't lock up when confronted with their own mortality. You can blame the "good guy with the gun" for not stopping the "bad guy" as the NSA love to describe it but life isn't that clean.
Quote Posted by jkcerda
goes to show YOU are responsible for YOUR safety, plenty of STUDENTS carry in Texas ON college campuses. that said, seriously PISSED the guy quit and is now an average citizen AND he is getting the protection HE failed to provide the students on OUR dime NOW , I DON'T wish HIM OR his FAMILY ANY harm, BUT he should NOT have armed POLICE ON OUR DIME at his home at OUR expense.
Your shift key is stuck. Also your logic.
Al_B on 23/2/2018 at 21:44
1) An attacker may now assume they're armed and attack as such. Assuming that someone that is armed will be able to make the decision to take someone down is naive
3) I don't understand how you get from complaining about someone getting protection to gun free zones not working. Care to explain?
jkcerda on 23/2/2018 at 23:07
1. are you implying it's better to wait for the cops to show up 10-20 maybe 50 minutes later ? because it's obvious that is simply not working for the students who are getting mowed down.
3. I multi task.
Tocky on 24/2/2018 at 02:45
Quote Posted by jkcerda
2. the sheriff had a different say on him.
My eyes crossed and my head spun round when the sheriff said he "saw" him cower for four minutes. Think on that a second. I know that it could have been on tape but it sounded as if he were condemning him while himself being there and doing nothing.
I seriously do not understand anyone that old valuing their own life that much. What the hell have we got to look forward to? Incontinence? The slow rot of our bodies until we are walking corpses? Fuck that. Give me the chance to miss that shit. I love life but it's a shit road ahead anyway. It would be nice to go out without breaking every single commandment but what the hell might as well.
About guns? We aren't going to do a damn thing. Bring up anything at all and there is a gun nut with a counter argument.
uncadonego on 24/2/2018 at 03:15
Schools, night clubs, movie theaters, concerts....no shortage of soft targets, and nutjobs have taken advantage of all of them.
There are soft targets all over the world, and mentally ill all over the world. The difference could just be that there aren't 310 million guns in the hands of citizens in other parts of the world.
Compare all other factors, and the only difference is the crazy ass availability of guns.
Tocky on 24/2/2018 at 03:25
Somewhere we went from a nation where a gun was a means of supplementing food on the table to one where little boys who never grew up want maximum firepower and dream of what a hero they are. Christ almighty we put plugs in shotguns to give doves a chance and we can't limit clip size to give our kids even a small chance. We are damned and it's our fault.
heywood on 24/2/2018 at 13:22
Red herring. The 2nd Amendment wasn't enacted to protect hunting.
