jkcerda on 21/3/2018 at 22:54
I sit corrected.
nah, it's not mentioning feminism ,,,,,,,,,, it's looking at what passes for feminist that make some puke.
Nicker on 21/3/2018 at 22:59
Quote Posted by jkcerda
gun enthusiast have no reason to continue to "compromise" with liberals. unless of course liberals propose something be done other than infringe on our rights...
Thanks for proving my point and that your "we are getting nowhere and shall continue to get nowhere because we disagree completely on what needs to be done." is just self serving rhetoric. What you really mean by this platitude is, "as long as I don't get my way, I will do nothing".
You are the one making this a false dichotomy. The choice, like with booze and drugs, isn't all or nothing. The problem isn't "liberals" trying to take your guns, it's you elevating your fascination to sacred right. What about the right of others to a reasonable expectation of safety or requiring a reasonable amount of accountability or caution around a dangerous device?
I asked at the beginning of this thread, what are gun owners willing to do to help? According to you, NOTHING. Because, god given right!
Renzatic on 21/3/2018 at 23:00
Quote Posted by Starker
Because disciplining has worked so well for preventing kids doing dangerous things in the past, right?
Thinking that things were better in the past is the worst fallacy anyone can engage in. Things are considerably better now than they ever have been (well, barring some recent circumstances).
Case in point, I was reading through a history of school shootings, and I came across one particularly amazing example of something that, were it to happen today, would just absolutely floor people by the crassness of it all. I'll give you the digest, bullet point version of it.
- Teacher brings a bird to school to show off to his students. He goes through great pains to remind these children that it's a living animal, and they need to be be extra careful with it.
- One kid, either through misadventure or spite, ends up stepping on the bird, killing it.
- The teacher is furious. Little bastard kid didn't heed his warning. Guy sends the child to his office. He walks in behind him, locks the doors, takes off his belt, and proceeds to choke the kid to death with it in a fit of anger.
- The kid's father, upon learning about his child's death the day after, takes his gun, goes to the school, and shoots the teacher point blank in front the remaining students in his class.
If anything, people were
at least as bastardly back then as they are today. That one story stuck out particularly strongly in my mind due to the pure heinousness of it all.
Starker on 21/3/2018 at 23:00
Anyone can call themselves feminist. Even Sarah Palin.
Starker on 21/3/2018 at 23:04
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Thinking that things were better in the past is the worst fallacy anyone can engage in. Things are considerably better now than they ever have been (well, barring some recent circumstances).
Case in point, I was reading through a history of school shootings, and I came across one particularly amazing example of something that, were it to happen today, would just absolutely floor people by the crassness of it all. I'll give you the digest, bullet point version of it.
- Teacher brings a bird to school to show off to his students. He goes through great pains to remind these children that it's a living animal, and they need to be be extra careful with it.
- One kid, either through misadventure or spite, ends up stepping on the bird, killing it.
- The teacher is furious. Little bastard kid didn't heed his warning. Guy sends the child to his office. He walks in behind him, locks the doors, takes off his belt, and proceeds to choke the kid to death with it in a fit of anger.
- The kid's father, upon learning about his child's death the day after, takes his gun, goes to the school, and shoots the teacher point blank in front the remaining students in his class.
If anything, people were
at least as bastardly back then as they are today. That one story stuck out particularly strongly in my mind due to the pure heinousness of it all.
Well, but you've got to admit, the kid didn't do anything bad ever again after being disciplined.
jkcerda on 21/3/2018 at 23:05
Quote Posted by Nicker
Thanks for proving my point and that your "we are getting nowhere and shall continue to get nowhere because we disagree completely on what needs to be done." is just self serving rhetoric. What you really mean by this platitude is, "as long as I don't get my way, I will do nothing".
You are the one making this a false dichotomy. The choice, like with booze and drugs, isn't all or nothing. The problem isn't "liberals" trying to take your guns, it's you elevating your fascination to sacred right. What about the right of others to a reasonable expectation of safety or requiring a reasonable amount of accountability or caution around a dangerous device?
I asked at the beginning of this thread, what are gun owners willing to do to help? According to you, NOTHING. Because, god given right!
let's make a deal, what do you want and what are you willing to offer?
jkcerda on 21/3/2018 at 23:08
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Thinking that things were better in the past is the worst fallacy anyone can engage in. Things are considerably better now than they ever have been (well, barring some recent circumstances).
Case in point, I was reading through a history of school shootings, and I came across one particularly amazing example of something that, were it to happen today, would just absolutely floor people by the crassness of it all. I'll give you the digest, bullet point version of it.
- Teacher brings a bird to school to show off to his students. He goes through great pains to remind these children that it's a living animal, and they need to be be extra careful with it.
- One kid, either through misadventure or spite, ends up stepping on the bird, killing it.
- The teacher is furious. Little bastard kid didn't heed his warning. Guy sends the child to his office. He walks in behind him, locks the doors, takes off his belt, and proceeds to choke the kid to death with it in a fit of anger.
- The kid's father, upon learning about his child's death the day after, takes his gun, goes to the school, and shoots the teacher point blank in front the remaining students in his class.
If anything, people were
at least as bastardly back then as they are today. That one story stuck out particularly strongly in my mind due to the pure heinousness of it all.
I love fallacy's :D
jkcerda on 21/3/2018 at 23:10
Quote Posted by Starker
Well, but you've got to admit, the kid didn't do anything bad ever again after being disciplined.
world star hip hop is crawling with undisciplined thugs..............
Renzatic on 21/3/2018 at 23:14
I'll be the first to admit that there are some highly annoying, incredibly shrill people running about who's tendency towards extreme measures serve to harm the very causes they claim to champion.
The mistake their opposition makes is using them as the primary example of why they hate <insert political movement here>, which, in turn, makes them look just as stupid as the very people they're claiming to stand against.
There are a ton of feminists out there. Only a very select few among these many run around screaming that referring to children by a gendered pronoun is a form of abuse, and all men should be castrated because masculinity is toxic by default. They hardly represent mainstream feminist thought. Don't treat them as if they do.
Renzatic on 21/3/2018 at 23:15
Quote Posted by Starker
Well, but you've got to admit, the kid didn't do anything bad ever again after being disciplined.
That's one thing you can say about capital punishment. It sticks.
