Renzatic on 22/3/2018 at 02:54
Quote Posted by LarryG
Somehow killing yourself through alcohol poisoning seems like something that a libertarian would argue is a personal right, but killing someone else through whatever means is stepping your personal rights all over someone else's, something that every libertarian should abhor. So why aren't libertarians in favor of reasonable gun control? It seems like a natural for them given their professed beliefs.
Because the big L Libertarians know that everyone will behave themselves appropriately in their perfect little world, so there's no need for gun control.
jkcerda on 22/3/2018 at 03:17
Quote Posted by LarryG
Somehow killing yourself through alcohol poisoning seems like something that a libertarian would argue is a personal right, but killing someone else through whatever means is stepping your personal rights all over someone else's, something that every libertarian should abhor. So why aren't libertarians in favor of reasonable gun control? It seems like a natural for them given their professed beliefs.
We have laws against murder. And yeah mostly libertarian here
Renzatic on 22/3/2018 at 03:33
One thing you gotta say about the Libertarians, outside of the communists, they're consistently the most disappointed bunch of people currently engaged in American politics today, yet they always stay so cheery.
Someday soon, the tyranny will end. When that day comes, we'll all save 5 cents on gas.
Starker on 22/3/2018 at 04:01
Quote Posted by catbarf
A lot of people own alcohol, and a lot of Americans die from it regularly- ~90,000 per year, blowing guns out of the water as far as death toll is concerned, to say nothing of the lives and families destroyed by substance abuse. It's not terribly regulated either. But if you try to tell someone that their enjoyment of a beer on the weekend makes them complicit in children being killed by drunk drivers, that their hobby doesn't outweigh lives, I think the majority of the public would consider you to be some kind of moralistic loon.
If I were to say that alcohol is contributing to tens of thousands of deaths every year, it doesn't necessarily mean I would be saying that people who buy and drink alcohol on the weekend are somehow complicit in children being killed by drunk drivers. Rather, I would be referring to alcohol as a public health hazard. And this is the same with guns.
Also, governments do try to limit alcohol-related deaths though policy, by not allowing people to drive when drunk, for example. And in many places there are limits on how and to whom alcohol can be marketed. Excise duties are another popular measure.
Quote Posted by catbarf
I'm not trying to say 'well if guns are banned you should ban alcohol!!!'; but it highlights the difference in how people react depending on whether or not they're personally invested in the item under discussion. If you're in the group that drinks or owns guns or raises tigers or whatever you'll probably blame misuse on the individuals rather than the object they misused, and if you're not in the group (and not personally affected or invested) then you'll probably blame the object itself. There's a massive perspective disconnect between people who have grown up with guns and people who haven't.
Well, I have not talked about banning guns, only about concentrating guns into the hands of responsible owners in order to limit the undeniable harm that guns do in the hands of irresponsible owners.
In fact, guns are not banned in most countries (with the possible exception of Jamaica and maybe Japan, if you stretch the idea of a ban far enough), so the fear of guns being banned in the US is rather irrational.
jkcerda on 22/3/2018 at 04:06
Quote Posted by Renzatic
One thing you gotta say about the Libertarians, outside of the communists, they're consistently the most disappointed bunch of people currently engaged in American politics today, yet they always stay so cheery.
Someday soon, the tyranny will end. When that day comes, we'll all save 5 cents on gas.
Reality is over rated hence the reason we are cheery :p
Renzatic on 22/3/2018 at 04:26
Quote Posted by jkcerda
Reality is over rated hence the reason we are cheery :p
Well, you're all kinda uptight, too. It's a weird combination.
Chimpy Chompy on 22/3/2018 at 12:37
Quote Posted by catbarf
They're able to successfully recruit casual gun owners (eg hunters) to their cause by pointing to the historically incremental trend of gun control and saying
you'll be next. Put yourself in their shoes: Okay, so gun owners will be allowed to keep their semi-auto AR-15s for now. But if they think you're going to just come back in a few years to try to ban them anyways, well, why would they give you a stepping-stone now?
So, wait, what was allowed in the past that isn't now? fully automatic weapons?
The cake comic seems fairly ridiculous. As I understand it America has widespread legal gun ownership, semi-automatic weapons can be bought, many states allow concealed carry etc. How much of that cake is really gone?
PigLick on 22/3/2018 at 13:04
just the icing
Starker on 22/3/2018 at 13:16
Quote Posted by Chimpy Chompy
So, wait, what was allowed in the past that isn't now? fully automatic weapons?
Fully automatic weapons are still allowed, but you have to get a license and the guns are expensive due to the limited supply.
Pyrian on 22/3/2018 at 13:19
Kind of funny how team never-compromise is always going on about the need for their opponents to compromise. It's not like they're ever going to accept a compromise. It's just another distraction to throw at the wall.
