catbarf on 22/3/2018 at 13:39
Quote Posted by Chimpy Chompy
So, wait, what was allowed in the past that isn't now? fully automatic weapons?
On a federal level, automatic weapons, rifles with barrels under 16", shotguns with barrels under 18", pistols with any kind of grip or stabilizer, high-caliber rifles, anything involving explosives, and suppressors are extremely heavily regulated (with automatics being de facto banned unless you have $20k+ lying around), while foreign imports, inter-state sales, and deactivated relics are banned altogether. On a state level, open carry, concealed carry, assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, handguns altogether, and private sale are restricted or banned to various degrees. About the only regulations I can think of that were rolled back were the 1994 AWB (only because it was built into the law), a few states have taken measures to allow permitless concealed carry, and DC's ban on handguns was overturned by the Supreme Court in favor of a ban-unless-you're-connected, like NYC.
Many of those restrictions aren't even shared by more gun-restrictive countries. Canada doesn't have any qualms about short-barreled rifles or shotguns, our restrictions on imports are tied to international politics rather than public safety, and most European countries
advocate the use of suppressors as a safety measure and to reduce noise pollution.
If you want to claim that America still has most of its 'cake', well, sure, I agree. I think the cake comic is hyperbolic and referenced it to illustrate the trend, not to claim that Americans' gun rights are hanging on by a thread. But when you've got politicians praising Australia's gun control, where hundred-year-old pump shotguns were banned, and so much clamor domestically over banning assault weapons or semiautomatics altogether, gun owners have zero reason to trust that
this time gun control advocates will take just the one thing they're asking for and that'll be it.
I mean, I think Renzatic is on the right track: Throw out all the useless crap, start with a clean slate, and write a consistent set of regulations to target the legitimate issues. That gives you compromise on both sides and (hopefully) everyone can walk away happy. The strategy we're seeing now is just tug-of-war, where there's no incentive for either side to compromise at all, and each new restriction passed in California or New York galvanizes national opposition.
jkcerda on 22/3/2018 at 14:28
nice post catbarf & PigLick we like having RIGHTS, not going through endless stupid loops for some perceived safety, we are NOT Australians. or Japanese and NEVER will be.
PigLick on 22/3/2018 at 14:29
ok
Chimpy Chompy on 22/3/2018 at 15:13
Quote Posted by catbarf
I think the cake comic is hyperbolic and referenced it to illustrate the trend, not to claim that Americans' gun rights are hanging on by a thread. But when you've got politicians praising Australia's gun control, where hundred-year-old pump shotguns were banned, and so much clamor domestically over banning assault weapons or semiautomatics altogether, gun owners have zero reason to trust that
this time gun control advocates will take just the one thing they're asking for and that'll be it.
I dunno, a lot of that trend seems to amount to fussing over details, restricting stuff only soldiers should have anyway, or making you get a permit before you can take a gun when you pop down the shops for milk and dogfood. I don't see some inevitable slippery slope from there to BAN EVERYTHING. That can't, won't happen unless a majority of Americans want it to (and they don't). Too much of a societal shift would have to happen first.
I looked back at what you consider sensible gun control law, you seem to be more focused on the means by which criminals get guns, like straw purchases. Looks good. That and addressing social problems like gang crime. Again, good and noble goals!
But it still seems prudent to take the more ridiculous hardware off the table, even if it only takes a few percent off the death rate. Sure, very few people are murdered by Barett rifles. Not many people are murdered by releasing an enraged pet gorilla into their office either. But legal gorilla ownership probably isn't a stellar idea.
LarryG on 22/3/2018 at 15:25
Let's just ban ammunition. Ammunition is not protected by the 2nd amendment. Own all the guns you want. But if you want to hurt someone with your gun, you have to swing it like a baseball bat or throw it at them.
Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.
jkcerda on 22/3/2018 at 15:35
Quote Posted by Chimpy Chompy
I dunno, a lot of that trend seems to amount to fussing over details, restrictin
g stuff only soldiers should have anyway, or making you get a permit before you can take a gun when you pop down the shops for milk and dogfood. I don't see some inevitable slippery slope from there to BAN EVERYTHING. That can't, won't happen unless a majority of Americans wants it to (and they don't). Too much of a societal shift has to happen first.
I looked back at what you consider sensible gun control law, you seem to be more focused on the means by which criminals get guns, like straw purchases. Looks good. That and addressing social problems like gang crime. Again, good and noble goals!
But it still seems sense to take some of the more ridiculous hardware off the table, even if it only takes a few percent off the death rate. Sure, very few people are murdered by Barett rifles. Not many people are murdered by releasing an enraged pet gorilla into their office either. But legal gorilla ownership probably isn't a stellar idea.
you guys are funny.
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Quote Posted by LarryG
Let's just ban ammunition. Ammunition is not protected by the 2nd amendment. Own all the guns you want. But if you want to hurt someone with your gun, you have to swing it like a baseball bat or throw it at them.
Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.
SEE post 315 :D
Chimpy Chompy on 22/3/2018 at 16:02
you are just memes and noise. If you want to contribute be more like catbarf.
