lost_soul on 28/12/2010 at 17:13
So if I make the statement that "most people prefer to be sold food that isn't moldy", I'm "being a mouthpiece for people"? We buy games to have fun. I shouldn't have to worry about the integrity or stability of my system because some predatory game publisher installs malware that hooks into calls for the CD drive. Most Linux users are indeed smart enough to realize that this sort of thing is inappropriate. Most Windows users don't even know what ring 0 means, so they usually don't protest.
Simple rule: If the game can't be installed and played as a local user without root privileges, it cannot be trusted.
addink on 28/12/2010 at 17:53
Simple mind: lost_soul
1. you're projecting your own preferences onto a group of people that doesn't necessarily agree with you. Eating spoiled food is not a good metaphor for installing software with DRM.
2. Some OS are overly protective of certain folders. If installing a game in one of those folders, it will fail because of the OS, not because the developer's evil intentions.
3. I am getting pretty tired of this obsession of yours with DRM. Or to put it in your kind of words:
All TTLG regulars are fed up with your tirade against DRM.
lost_soul on 28/12/2010 at 18:23
Yay for generalizations like that last one. Notice in my post that I never used the word all
most != all
Sulphur on 28/12/2010 at 18:54
All right. If you can't stop posting obnoxious crap we've already read three hundred bajillion times, then most of us would like you to fuck off.
Renzatic on 28/12/2010 at 19:29
Quote Posted by EvaUnit02
Since when the fuck have you been the mouthpiece for Lunix users? How the fuck do you know what everyone's opinion is? Making sweeping generalisations is a sign of pig shit ignorance.
Actually, he is somewhat representative of a core group of really batshit insane Linux users. Most of the people you run across use Ubuntu, Arch, and all that good stuff because they like it. But a few use it because, to them, it's an icon for a way of life.
Case in point: Ubuntu. It's the one distro that's most likely to compete with the commercial OSes on features and ease of use. Some people hate it for that. Case number 2: Canonical, the people who make Ubuntu, are trying to get commercial software support for the system. The people who hate Ubuntu are absolutely frothing at the mouth over this. I mean just recently Adobe started showing interest in porting the Creative Suite to Linux. Alot of people liked the idea, but those same few were out spamming messageboards with "KEEP THAT PROPRIETARY SHIT OFF OUR OS BLAH BLAH BLAH FOSS FOREVER". It's like the same people who keep preaching about the Year of the Linux Desktop coming soon are doing everything in their power to sabotage it from ever happening.
It amazes me how invested some of these people are to the idea of free shit you can fuck with freely. I mean sure, it's a good idea. I like free stuff, too. But comeon. There comes a point.
Jason Moyer on 29/12/2010 at 01:14
Everyone's like that now, not just Linux people. The vast majority of people have never created shit in their life, and have no respect at all for the people who do and are possessive of the things they make. Look at how people totally snapped when Notch said that he'd like people to stop modifying the code for Minecraft. He shouldn't have even needed to mention the EULA; real human beings have more respect for people's work than that. I don't really understand the mindset of people who partake in that bullshit. I understand being possessive of one's own creations, but the level of entitlement most people have when it comes to the work of others is batshit crazy.
Renzatic on 29/12/2010 at 02:31
Well, I'm of half a mind on that. On one hand, Notch has been the victim of some of the most childish BS I've ever seen. He doesn't release a patch on time, and suddenly the boards are filled with hundreds of people calling him every name in the book and DDOSing his site. It's stupid. Let the guy do what he does, and you'll eventually get what you want. A two week wait ain't gonna kill you.
On the other hand, he needs to realize that once you release something to the wilds, it's pretty much fair game what people do with it. He doesn't have to support mods if he doesn't want to, and people should at least respect his decision enough by not having a freak fit whenever he says as much, but he shouldn't be surprised when people go ahead and do it anyway.
lost_soul on 29/12/2010 at 02:53
I too have a problem with the Linux users who demand that everything be free. If it were up to them, I would have to use some craptastic open source driver that struggles to run Quake 3 on top of the line hardware. I use Linux, but my system is full of proprietary bits like the NVIDIA drivers. Until somebody can produce a competent alternative, that is how it will stay. I don't have a problem with Ubuntu selling closed products in the operating system, as long as they don't put banner ads everywhere when you're trying to use it.
At the same time though, I have a problem with people who sell me a binary product and then split, offering no patches and updates to keep it working on modern hardware when things like multi-core CPUs and post-geforce4s come out. Hey developer, if you can't fix the code yourself, give it to your fan base and let them fix it for you.
inselaffe on 29/12/2010 at 03:46
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
Elsewhere on the Internets, I came across a guy trading copies of the Bundle for items in Team Fortress 2, at the rather poor rate of buying them for 50c a time.
Quote Posted by Eldron
I've seen people go "it's too hard to buy the humble pack, buying a 100 copies at $0.01 was a pain.
Quote Posted by Eldron
Yep, went to the facepunch forums and checked out their thread on the subject, apparently someone bought a ton of copies of the pack and gifted them away in another thread, I guess he wanted to spread the Christmas spirit (in the worst possible way ever), and a ton of other people were like chicks in a nest screaming out with their mouths open for someone to feed them with a pack.
That's really sad actually. You'd think at least in these cases they'd have some heart or care for others. Even for $10 (£6.50) i thought it was bloody cheap.
On a side note, i appear to have inadvertently bought a furry game. How traumatising.
Yakoob on 29/12/2010 at 03:55
Quote Posted by lost_soul
At the same time though, I have a problem with people who sell me a binary product and then split, offering no patches and updates to keep it working on modern hardware when things like multi-core CPUs and post-geforce4s come out. Hey developer, if you can't fix the code yourself, give it to your fan base and let them fix it for you.
I have to disagree with you on this. By that logic, IKEA should come over to my house and repaint my furniture if I decide to change the color of my drapes. And yes, they do match the carpet.
Software and hardware evolves so fast these days, trying to keep old bits of code running is a fool's errand. You cant always code with future in mind, considering future hasn't happened yet. Likewise, you shouldn't be obligated to have to patch something up later; no one is forcing you to upgrade your system to something newer, and all software comes with "minimun/recommended" requirements that tell you what it will and wont run on.
