june gloom on 29/12/2010 at 04:00
thank you for not resorting to a car analogy
lost_soul on 29/12/2010 at 04:32
Let me know when you buy a pair of drapes that come with an "EULA" that says you may not modify them or reverse-engineer them.
june gloom on 29/12/2010 at 04:58
let me know when you shut the fuck up already
Jason Moyer on 29/12/2010 at 05:11
I bought a steam locomotive but it won't work on this fancy pavement. Patch plz.
Renzatic on 29/12/2010 at 05:14
I tried reverse engineering drapes once. Ended up with a sock.
CCCToad on 29/12/2010 at 05:21
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
I bought a steam locomotive but it won't work on this fancy pavement. Patch plz.
This one time I bought a car and it had a part that was known to catch fire and explode, so the car dealer issued a recall and "patched" it for free.
Yakoob on 29/12/2010 at 06:47
Quote Posted by Renzatic
I tried reverse engineering drapes once. Ended up with a sock.
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Eldron on 29/12/2010 at 13:33
It's not possible to put a price on something that is just digital data and completely intangible.
That's why it's priced after the research and development put into it.
I'm against overly destructive drm, and I'm against patenting basic stuff that just hinders development.
But I'm for the ability for people to decide what you can do with their product, and if they decide to sell a license to use it, that's their choice, and your choice can be to not buy it.
This is why the choice to make your software free and open is a choice that you as a developer made, not something that was forced upon you.
lost_soul on 29/12/2010 at 19:11
"It's not possible to put a price on something that is just digital data and completely intangible.
That's why it's priced after the research and development put into it."
Tell that to Microsoft. Since they control virtually the entire market for PC operating systems (as far as an average user is concerned), try and find a copy of Windows XP (Non-OEM) for under $100. Even though XP is getting on a decade old, you can't. The difference is, with imaginary property, the creator is not subject to normal economics. Some of them have used EULAs to attack the consumer's right to first-sale and keep those prices artificially high. Then, when they want to kill their older product (like Windows XP), they can just stop offering it. In their eyes, only an evil person would re-use a copy of Windows sold with one PC on another, so you can't do that.
Hardware and other physical goods are subject to excessive supply. If I sell millions of video cards, the price will go down. That's because Joe can resell his video card that I sold to him, in order to buy a newer more powerful model from me. So when it comes to software development, those at the top get to sabotage competition and manipulate the market through the use of EULAs and other things.
This is why I CHEER for Apple and the Iphone. They may not have my best interest at heart, but they're competition for the giant. I would rather have two giants battling it out for control of a market than one big bully any day. I don't want to see anybody "win". I want to see that pie chart on the bundle website be in exact thirds. As for Linux, we'll get there some day... as soon as they stop breaking the audio subsystem or other critical things in new versions. :)
inselaffe on 29/12/2010 at 19:58
But apple are even more closed and aggressive in that philosophy than microsoft. This "competition" will not do anything to stop that. If all major companies adopt a certain style of policy then there is sod all competition will do about it. The only way to get something done is for enough people to be pissed off to either not buy it or kick up enough of a fuss. Since a lot of these items (like operating systems) are things that people feel they need with no real alternative then it puts even more pressure to buy those things.
All i must ask is why yet another topic has to be fucked up by all of this. If people just ignored lost soul's comments on the matter then the problem would quickly go away. Instead shitting in it yet more and in greater volume just makes the problem worse.
Anti-evangelism is even more annoying than evangelism. Particularly when it puts forward a very fascist anti-consumer rights perspective of "Eat your shit and enjoy it".
