june gloom on 27/4/2012 at 10:05
242 this game isn't japanese just fyi
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242 on 27/4/2012 at 10:20
Really? :wot: News for me. But seriously, you can't deny that Japanese are kings of surhors games.
Koki on 27/4/2012 at 12:44
Maybe once they grow up out of putting cameras on the ceilings.
june gloom on 27/4/2012 at 16:24
They have, Koki, and that's part of the problem.
Quote Posted by 242
you can't deny that Japanese are kings of surhors games.
Yes I can. (
http://www.moddb.com/company/team-psykskallar) A bunch of Swedes have created more scares for me than any Jap in... gosh, the better part of a decade, now. The Japanese survival horror scene has, along with the rest of the Japanese gaming industry, completely gone and disappeared up its own asshole. I mean, what's the last big Japanese survival horror game to come out? And I mean pure survival horror, not this action-horror stuff that started with RE4.
Hell, you know, I usually disagree with 90% of what Yahtzee has to say on general principle but he's absolutely on the money here: (
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/9572-Big-Studios-Cant-Produce-Good-Horror-Games)
Go watch Jacob's Ladder already.
Jason Moyer on 28/4/2012 at 01:29
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Yes I can.
(http://www.frictionalgames.com/site/) A bunch of Swedes have created more scares for me than any Jap in... gosh, the better part of a decade, now.
Yeah.
june gloom on 28/4/2012 at 04:44
Yeah, but my bunch isn't creatively bankrupt. <3
242 on 28/4/2012 at 09:14
Offtopic.
Quote Posted by dethtoll
The Japanese survival horror scene has, along with the rest of the Japanese gaming industry, completely gone and disappeared up its own asshole. I mean, what's the last big Japanese survival horror game to come out? And I mean pure survival horror, not this action-horror stuff that started with RE4.
I don't consider RE horror at all, and I absolutely don't see how RE1/2/3 is more horror than RE4/5, they are about equally creepy at parts , but definitely not scary enough to be called horror games. RE4 is EXCELLENT survival action/adventure, and RE1/2/3 are nice survival adventure/action. Speaking of Japanese horror games I meant SH1/2/3/4, Fatal Frame 1/2/3/4, and of course the pinnacle of surhors - Siren1/2. Still noone beat them in terms of horror.
I
loved the Penumbras, but in all honesty they are far away from horror and quality of aforementioned games.
june gloom on 28/4/2012 at 21:11
Once again you and reality are at odds. PS1-era Resident Evil is the definition of survival horror, and, indeed, codified a lot of the characteristics of the genre as well as invented the term 'survival horror.' So let me break it down for you, again. I realize English isn't your first language or indeed probably not even your fifth, so I'll keep it really, really simple for you, so that any failure to get through to you is because you have your head firmly wedged up your ass. Because lord I am tired of explaining this to you. So please, do try to keep up this time.
Here are the major characteristics of survival horror:
Scarce resources. Ammo and health are difficult to come by, and you need to make every shot count.
Inventory management. You can only carry so much, so you have to know what to bring while leaving some room for new, important items.
Difficult combat. Your enemies are difficult to bring down.
Strong horror theme. Duh. Note that this is NOT meant to be subjective, i.e. how scary you found it. It refers more to scary situations with scary monsters in a way that increases tension. Alone this doesn't qualify; but it's absolutely essential in conjunction with the others.
Noticeable lack of NPCs. It's just you and the monsters for most of the game.
Puzzle-solving. Not every surhor has this, but it's in enough of them that it's worthy of mention.
Individualized enemy encounters. You're often facing no more than a few monsters at a time.
Resident Evil hits all those notes. When Silent Hill first came out, it drew a LOT of comparisons to Resident Evil because they both featured the same controls. The only real difference, mechanics-wise, was that Silent Hill didn't use pre-rendered environments like RE did.
Here are some things that survival horror is NOT defined by:
How scary you found it. Resident Evil isn't scary like Silent Hill, but it's still survival horror. Fatal Frame put me to sleep. It's still survival horror. Doom 3 had scary bits. It's not survival horror.
Country of origin. Japan made good survival horrors back in the day, yes, but the entire Japanese games industry is in decline, and a decent survival horror in the classic mode coming out of Japan is very, very rare, nowadays, in part because they tend to be more action-focused now.
Survival horror is a genre, it's not just some label to be slapped on anything remotely scary. There are real, quantifiable characteristics to it, which I have just described. So, yes, Resident Evil is survival horror, and yes, your opinion doesn't matter.
Koki on 28/4/2012 at 21:40
^ And that's why SS2 is best survival horror
The Alchemist on 30/4/2012 at 07:29
Hokay, so, I beat the game on Normal, and then decided to do another playthrough on hard to find all the treasure and secrets as well. I made a custom party, two human fighters up front, one focusing on the sword and one on the mace. The back row are mages, two insectoids, one Ice/Fire and one Air/Earth. The game is too easy now. I'm already on level 5 and I've been able to find every secret and treasure thusfar (I know the number of secrets per level, and which levels have a treasure.) Is it the party set up or is it just about knowing the dungeons I dunno. Before, Id be starving a lot, now I have 3 sacks full of food, so I have plenty of time to spend looking for the secrets. *Shrug* Still fun, anyway. At least until they release the editor.
In case you want that info too:
Level 1: (3 Secrets)
Level 2: (6 Secrets - 1 Treasure)
Level 3: (9 Secrets - 1 Treasure - 2 Toorum's)
Level 4:(7 Secrets - 1 Toorum's)
Level 5:(7 Secrets - 2 Toorum's)
Level 6: (12 Secrets - 2 Treasure - 2 Toorum's)
Level 7:(9 Secrets - 1 Toorum's)
Level 8:(6 Secrets - 1 Treasure - 1 Toorum's)
Level 9:(4 Secrets - 1 Toorum's)
Level 10:(6 Secrets - 6 Toorum's)
Level 11:(1 Treasure)
Level 12:(Fucking nothing)
Level 13:(2 Secrets - 1 Treasure)
