The Master Builder - A play by Henrik Ibsen apparently. - by sNeaksieGarrett
sNeaksieGarrett on 21/10/2008 at 17:33
Fascinating.. I was reading in my class book about a man named Henrik Ibsen for a college course I'm taking, and it mentioned one of his plays, called
The Master Builder (1892). Of course, this made me think of the Master Builder from thief.:sly: :cheeky: Just thought I'd share this... I decided to look it up and found (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_Builder) this. Apparently it is about an architect. (duh, right?) :)
Wow, I just saw this, apparently I didn't read far enough on the wiki page.
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In popular culture
The Master Builder is the play referenced at the beginning of the musical Aspects of Love by Andrew Lloyd Webber. The female protagonist of the musical, Rose, is called "courageous" due to her undertaking the role of Hilde.
The Master Builder is the name of the principle saint or deity worshipped by the Hammerite and Mechanist factions in the videogames Thief: The Dark Project and Thief 2: The Metal Age. The character of Father Karras in the second game has some resonance with the story of Halvard Solness in The Master Builder
It needs a citation though. :(
Herr_Garrett on 21/10/2008 at 18:23
Was he not a Scandinavian playwright? Norwegian, if my memory does not fail me. He wrote the... dunno, a played name after its heroine. Norme, or something like that. At least in the Hungarian translation. And another one, the 'Wild Duck', maybe? I don't know the English names.
But he was pals with Kirkegaard :thumb:
sNeaksieGarrett on 21/10/2008 at 18:32
Norwegian, afaik. :) He actually lived outside of Norway mostly, because of being exiled; but was an important play-writer. My source is The Longman Anthology World Literature, Volume E.
The Magpie on 22/10/2008 at 00:31
Quote Posted by Herr_Garrett
Was he not a Scandinavian playwright? Norwegian, if my memory does not fail me. He wrote the... dunno, a played name after its heroine. Norme, or something like that.
My guess would be "Nora", the main character in
A Doll's House. Arguably Ibsen's most famous play.
Are you guys familiar with Grieg? His musical pieces
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Hall_of_the_Mountain_King) In the Hall of the Mountain King and
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_Mood) Morning Mood were written to accompany Ibsen's play
Peer Gynt.
Now, as for
The Master Builder... Well-read as the LGS employees undoubtedly were, I find little evidence of any link between Ibsen and Thief.
If memory serves, in TDP, the Hammerite deity (if such he is) is most commonly referred to as merely The Builder. The "Master" moniker didn't really spread until TMA. Maybe the TMA team were more familiar with Ibsen, or maybe it just seemed to resonate better with the title of Master Karras.
In any case, I'd just as soon remove its "popular culture" Thief reference in the Wikipedia article.
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But he was pals with Kierkegaard :thumb:
Cool. I didn't know that.
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Larris
demagogue on 22/10/2008 at 03:19
Ibsen was required reading for us in high school, along with GB Shaw, the two being the biggest playwrites of the 19th Century. So it's a little funny to hear him spoken about like he's really obscure, sort of like hearing "I read recently that this guy called Faulkner is some kind of good novelist".
But then I guess every school has its own required reading list, so I wouldn't hold it against anyone ... I got away with never reading Lord of the Flies or Steppenwolf, though knowing the kind of guys that are always raving about them I feel like I haven't missed much. :p
Oh, re: connection to Thief ... I wouldn't doubt the title might have been a brain-seed, giving a little halo to the sound of the words themselves. That happens often enough.
Tannar on 22/10/2008 at 06:44
Quote Posted by demagogue
Ibsen was required reading for us in high school, along with GB Shaw, the two being the biggest playwrites of the 19th Century. So it's a little funny to hear him spoken about like he's really obscure, sort of like hearing "I read recently that this guy called Faulkner is some kind of good novelist".
You are so right! At the risk of getting a bit off topic, I taught for 8 years at a large university and in my last year of teaching there learned that not one of the students in one of my classes had ever heard of Sting! :wot: So I guess I can hardly be surprised that Ibsen would be obscure to many. :tsktsk:
sNeaksieGarrett on 22/10/2008 at 15:04
Quote Posted by The Magpie
Now, as for
The Master Builder... Well-read as the LGS employees undoubtedly were, I find little evidence of any link between Ibsen and Thief.
If memory serves, in TDP, the Hammerite deity (if such he is) is most commonly referred to as merely The Builder. The "Master" moniker didn't really spread until TMA. Maybe the TMA team were more familiar with Ibsen, or maybe it just seemed to resonate better with the title of Master Karras.
In any case, I'd just as soon remove its "popular culture" Thief reference in the Wikipedia article.
Your first paragraph: Whether there is true connection between the two or not is beside the point, I was merely noticing that there was a play called The Master Builder, and that it reminded me of thief.
As far as the rest goes, perhaps the last sentence of the wiki article (In Popular Culture) should be removed, since no citation was even put there.... But I believe the other part of it should stay on there.
Things are different for different folks of different states. :) I never read Ibsen, never even heard of him until the class I am taking right now.
