june gloom on 12/5/2012 at 03:23
I think what GMD is trying to say is "grow up or get funny."
BrokenArts on 12/5/2012 at 03:27
Begger's can't be choosers in light of things. :p
Goldmoon Dawn on 12/5/2012 at 03:41
:cheeky:
arandomgamer02 on 12/5/2012 at 03:53
Quote Posted by BrokenArts
I just realized that for those that are shy about posting, you lurkers out there, you know who you are. The forum is now ours! BOWHAHAH!!!! Take control of it! If anyone says boo, who cares, say boo back at them. Hey time to start over, kick ass, I'm for it.
Hey everyone. I used to post here heavily in the 2003-2006 period under a different name. I re-registered because I am now embarrassed by the quality of those posts. Anyway, I have been a faithful lurker since that time. After reading all this discussion on the supposed decline of TTLG, I somehow feel like I should do do something. So I figure I can try posting again - why not, right?
I am sure you'll all welcome me with open arms and we'll become best friends. Carry on.
Alvar on 12/5/2012 at 03:57
Wait a minute... where am I ?!?! :ebil:
demagogue on 12/5/2012 at 04:04
Well I remember being terrified of posting for a good 6 months or so at the start, and that was even for ThiefGen haha. And even then the only thing that pulled me out of my shell was questions for FMs. I think I started posting more to deal with bad mojo going on around me as a kind of escape, and actually getting involved in things like the Chain Project and the Mapping Project, and building stuff in Dromed, which I felt gave me a bit of a right to speak up. But anyway I do remember hitting 100 posts, and then 300 posts, and those being sort of a big deal, and then breaking into the fifth page in the members list, and then each page as I went up. Wow it seems like such a small thing now, but at the time I thought it was a big thing.
I didn't really start posting in CommChat much until I already had like over 1000 or 2000 posts, and by that point I didn't care what anybody says or if they treat me like an outsider because I *knew* I belonged here and I felt I could post anywhere I damn well please dammit.
BrokenArts on 12/5/2012 at 04:10
It can be a big thing if you are not used to it. Lurking is good, lay of the land, look around, put that big toe in the scary forum murky waters, and breath, now.....post. I was always cautious posting, afraid, naa, more cautious. If I didn't like a topic or it didn't interest me, guess what, I didn't post. Then after a while, fuck it, who cares. More people should adopt that attitude, who cares, just post. As for the newbies, welcome.
Muzman on 12/5/2012 at 04:27
Quote Posted by Aerothorn
Responding to this late, but I have to respectfully disagree. It wasn't some isolated spats; almost every thread in gen gaming became a vitriolic pissing fest, and the few "new member" threads we got we instantly filled with the sort of bile you only roll out if you're actively trying to drive people away.
I wouldn't suggest it was isolated. It was/is pretty regular. Perhaps if I played more games and read those threads it would seem oppressive, but it really doesn't seem all that different from times past. I guess in the old days a mod would come by after a while and say stop it (which wouldn't necessarily work) and that gives the impression that it's not just the norm to anyone passing through. But hey, it actually seemed worse back before a I got a scroll wheel, so I'm guessing it's pretty similar. Guessing, I stress.
New members always got hazed to some degree. A 'Hi' thread was an excuse for everyone to jump in and caper around and humiliate them for their nick and what have you. There was usually one or two who'd say hi back and tell them to pay no mind. You'll find that's generally still the case. There's a couple of regrettable exceptions recently, but others still who followed that model as ever.
My only true expertise I guess is my own experience; no one gave a shit when I turned up, people made jokes and went off on cliquey in-joke fests when I said stuff, gave me a stern reminder when I was taking rubbish, reminded me often (if indirectly) that I wasn't one of the "originals" (from a whole six months earlier) and the forum had a whole other life in chat and email that I wasn't privy to.
But it's interesting, there's stuff going with curious characters and no one outright tells you to fuck-off (except maybe out of a thread) and you hang around.
Because every new member might be precious some might worry about it now, but I really can't see it changing to one of those super polite rarified places like corporate or technical fora even partially. It was surely off putting before as well. I think that once we've gone down the list of all the things we don't like or would change about the place and then crossed off the ones that we can realistically do something about, we're left with activity (or at least, I am). Oh but y'say we need games and people for that. Well, I think we actually have those things, perhaps not to the degree we did but still. It's mainly a matter of what we can do with them (no small thing, I might add).
You're going on about some individual doing something a lot there, which I don't think is aimed at me. But, I don't think it's down to an individual or leader as such at all. Leader-ship perhaps would be how I phrase it.
Quote Posted by Avalon
I think what I enjoy most about this thread is that the people crying the loudest about how TTLG's downfall has been its failure to evolve and change, were the very same people in a thread a few months back loudly proclaiming that TTLG doesn't need to evolve OR change and summarily dismissing all ideas being thrown about as entirely unnecessary. The thing rotting away TTLG's core is, well, its core, crying about how something needs to be done but doing a 180 whenever the opportunity arrives to actually do something about it. You guys are the most Republican bunch of liberals I have ever seen!
Well they were kinda the same party to begin with.
I kinda know what you're talking about. But be more specific. What suggestions are you talking about? I doubt I caught all of them.
I'm starting to look at this a bit like climate change; do all of the above and see what happens (except where they aren't explicitly contradictory. Kolya seems to want more forums (I'll have to read more closely). I think I'd advocate for less)
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It's no wonder that Facebook has killed off this crowd, as some of you have said. This site was originally a video game website, centered around a couple of very specific games and then branching out. In fact, it still is a video game website. Yet the core that's stuck to TTLG like a disgusting tumor, the core that influences what goes on here by being the loudest voice in the room, not only hates gaming - most of you have grown to hate the very games that got you here.
Gotta admit, that's a new one to me. What do you mean by this?
You're probably right about a foody, beer drinking, socialising web site taking of but isn't that fac...oh I get it.
theBlackman on 12/5/2012 at 05:02
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
[...]For this place to survive, it needs a leader and it doesn't have one.
To Paraphrase: For this place to survive it needs less puerile bullshit, an influx of users who have more than a single brain cell, and an IQ above 65.
Language not-with-standing, high-jacking threads to purvey obscene and potty mouth behavior instead if responding to the topic, seems to be the order of the day. I often wonder who changes the diapers on these underage illiterates.
Kolya on 12/5/2012 at 08:16
Quote Posted by Muzman
Kolya seems to want more forums (I'll have to read more closely). I think I'd advocate for less)
No, I it should definitely be less forums, considering we're a much smaller community now. ZylonBane (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131245&p=1971038&viewfull=1#post1971038) posted a plan on merging some forums two years ago that everyone seemed to agree with. The points he made are still valid.
We might think about adding one forum for creative works then in the community section. There photographers could show their pictures in their own threads, game creators could present their projects and gather participants, musicians could play us their music in dedicated band/project threads, website creators could gather feedback and so on. If any particular category takes off it might get its own subforum later.
